I know this may be a bit off topic, but the question has risen, so here we go.

For a time now I have reigned supreme in my group of friends on the 12R. Now, having been back seat for too long my best buddy has made steps to aquire a ZX10, a new one off the show room floor.

My bike is a 05 ZX12R, gutted cat with the ignition module and TPS mod. Otherwise bone stock.

Where do I stand? I know the 10 will best me in the extreme twistys(he can ride). But as far as brute force, cast iron, ass kickin straight line drag(I can ride too) where will I be? We are about the same weight, and I may be just a tad better at the handles than him(maybe).

Thanks,

You probably have an advantage in the straight line...until he uncorks his bike.

Fastest bike 0-180mph zx10r 08

http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewth...D=39520&FID=24

0 - 60 mph (0 - 96,54 km/h)

Suzuki Hayabusa 2,58
Kawasaki ZX-14 2,62
Ducati 1098R 2,76
Suzuki GSX-R1000 2,78
Kawasaki ZX-10R 2,84
MV Agusta F4 312 RR 1078 2,84
Yamaha YZF-R1 2,86
Ducati 1098 2,89
Honda CBR1000RR 2,89


1/4 mile

Suzuki Hayabusa 9,90@238,0
Kawasaki ZX-14 9,97@235,2
Suzuki GSX-R1000 9,98@240,5
Kawasaki ZX-10R 10,01@241,4
Ducati 1098R 10,03@238,0
Honda CBR1000RR 10,06@239,0
MV Agusta F4 312 RR 1078 10,08@238,2
Yamaha YZF-R1 10,09@236,6
Ducati 1098 10,31@229,4


Top speed

Kawasaki ZX-14 301,3
MV Agusta F4 312 RR 1078 300,9
Suzuki Hayabusa 298,8
Suzuki GSX-R1000 298,1
Ducati 1098R 297,2
Kawasaki ZX-10R 296,9
Yamaha YZF-R1 294,9
Honda CBR1000RR 289,7
Ducati 1098 262,9


0 - 180 mph

Kawasaki ZX-10R 17,21
MV Agusta F4 312 RR 1078 17,98
Suzuki Hayabusa 18,25
Suzuki GSX-R1000 18,51
Kawasaki ZX-14 19,77
Ducati 1098R 21,01
Honda CBR1000RR 21,03
Yamaha YZF-R1 21,07
Ducati 1098 N/A

The rider will make the difference here.. Either bike can beat the other or either bike can lose to the other depending on the rider.. I have owned both at one time and the 10R won every time I compared.. It's not as fast top end as the 12R, BUT finding someone to race you for a long enough distance for you to overcome the advantage the 10R stroked on you very quickly is hard to do. That's a fools race... Pound for pound with equally weighted riders you won't beat the 10R.. It's over 100 pounds lighter than the 12 and a properly tuned and modded 10R makes the same power as the best 12 or busa or 14 makes. They all three make more torque which you might think will save them BUT overcoming that weight they carry more than eats that advantage.. Which is why from 0 to 180 nothing beats the 10. It's light and it rolls... I suspect Ship will roll out a video of his 12 whipping up on a 10.. And video don't lie... Ship is above (far above ) the average rider in skills and far below in weight... His 12R is no slouch either..

Assuming weight and skills are aproxx. the same.....->

Make sure you got a new rear tyre and race roll from 2n on a road you know it grips.You'll pull him just fine.
In any other situation you're probably smoked.

So in short I'm going to have to work hard to beat the 10... I expected as much.

I had a feeling the weight of the bike would play a big role in acceleration, and I never expected to shame it in the curves. So a riders race it is, wouldent have it any other way.


Thanks guys, keep it coming.

From a dead stop, it's all about the rider....if you can launch, he'll never catch up... I see guys all the time with their new gixxer 1000/ZX10/R1's (some with pipes and other mods) at the track and most run low to mid
11's... only the pros (or a verry good amateur) can break 10 on the new liter bikes... on the other hand, i'm not a pro and can do low 10's all day after only a few practice runs on my completely stock 12...

lol, sounds like you race against the same kinda people i do. even the big bad stretched out 14s only run mid tens out here. there is one local that cracks into the tens every now and then on his zx10r, along with another dude riding 9r with nos that can run a 10.7. then this past friday, my first night racing the 12 since september of last year, i ran a 10.1. oops.


back on topic: i think i would try drag racing him if i were you. simple things like doing a 17t front sprocket and some three hole lowering links will be very effective, cheap, and easy to change back and forth. i also have a friend with a new zx10r and he ran mid elevens on it at the track. it has a bunch of wacky electronic control crap on it that makes it damn near impossible to launch hard (either that or he just sucks ass at the strip), so im pretty sure you have this one in the bag.

That comparo above isn't worth much considering all of those bikes are geared differently.
It's also worth mentioning that the newer liter bikes are all in a much better state of tune from the factory than the now 10 year old 12. Most feature titanium valves, excellent heads, and more. It's been said time and time again, but you'll need a piston kit, a quality exhaust, minor head work, and some experience launching the beast to dominate most stock liters.

Wouldn't start comparing myself, the 12 is a 12 and nothing out there looks like it. The 12 is unique compared to other bikes quick look on fleabay tells you that, over here there are 10 for sale and there are 126 R1's the word common comes to mind.

The stock 10 is actually slower than the past 10s'.Unrestricted it is the fastet 1000 since it has some serious head work.Not just grinded ports but also tapered by the factory!With the ti valves and stuff mentioned before..

So regarding the new 10,if restrected you wont push 6th gear in.If unrestricted start fron 2nd roll..

There hasn't been an 08 or 09 10R break 200 at Maxton or any LSR event that I'm aware of...( Chad Millholland has been 202 on his 04 ) We had one 08 around here that was as uncorked as it gets and both my 05 and Chad Millhollands 04 sent it home with a beating... Well sorta... Chads bike destroyed the 08 and my bike beat Chads 7 out of 8 runs so.. The 08 had a Milled & Massaged head , Kawi cam. Full Ak, yada yada yada.... It posted over 180 Hp on the same dyno that my own 10R posted 174 on and Chads posted 160 something.... Both my 10 and chads have the exact same work except different pipes... Both STOCK PISTONS, Coby Adams cylinder head, Kawi Cam,My head isn't decked I can't say about Chads, Both our 10Rs have whipped every stock piston 12, 14, and Busa that has ever challenged.. Even a few that weren't stock pistoned...

I own these bikes for nothing more than a thrill. At one time I had 2 12Rs because I believed they were nasty fast (and they are) I now own NO 12 and only 10Rs.. ( I do want a 12R back to collect)

The point to telling you all this information is ---------------> BIG DYNO NUMBERS MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!! The 08 does post big numbers But the combination isn't there to allow it to accelerate thru the rev range like the 04/05 does once it has been opened up the same. If the 08/09 was the way to go I would own one and so would Chad.. The 12R is indeed beautiful and most likely won't ever be equaled in that area.. The 10R is JUST NASTY !! And the way things seem to be going the 04/05 will never be equaled in that department. Yamaha has totally fucked their R1 up with it's Cross FUCKED crank. Kawi didn't do it in 08/09 and the 2010 model looks to be a repeat with the 2011 model slated to be a BIG BANG motor. ( A BIG FUCK UP like YAMAHA most likely) They need to get a clue what works on the race track don't make a good street motor... And Honda well it's a Honda nice fit and finish but weak when you compare modded bikes mod for mod... Always have been..

The 14 is the STUD all except for the fucked up cast on cylinder to the top case.. ANOTHER Kawi BRAIN FART... I'm actually surprised someone hasn't whipped up a set of cases for the 14 to replace the OE units and separate the cylinder. They wouldn't be cheap but the hard core motorheads would pay whatever..

Without the same riders, it is hard to compare different bikes. I haven't seen an 08-09 10R at Maxton....yet.

On paper the 10 should run away from you if he isn't too low in the rpms during the roll-on...100 lbs less weight. In the wrong gear and the 12 has more torque. Most guys "fit" better on the bigger bikes vs the smaller liters (aero advantage to the 12 theoretically in this case).

Go -1 up front and practice going WOT on your bike a LOT. Remove unneccesary weight from the bike....practice ... that will make the biggest difference.

The 12 has the advantage with less wheelies out the gate than the 10R. 80 mph roll-on the 10 can be in 1st gear, the 12 needs to be in 2nd. Lowering the 12 will help you more but you will get crushed in the twisties against a stock ride height 10R.

A.

My 06 10R with slip ons ran about the same mph in the 1/4 mile as did my 02 12R with a full exhaust.

Yeap!The 04 10 is a race bike allright even at stock form!Most racers would go on the track with the stock rear shock!
After all that the 12 is still the best choice for everything...

Ship,
My10R will still remove your teeth at 90 mph in second gear.. I would never whack it WFO at 80 in first... You will probably die doing that

Guys no one living loves the 12R more than I do. It's a work of art and a masterful piece of engineering far ahead of it's time when it was done. It's only downfall is HEAVY piston side loading once you start stroking the motor, and with the motor placement in the frame as it was designed a TALLER deck that would allow for a longer rod to ease this problem just isn't possible. It is what it is... You can stoke her but she won't live long.. So engine size compared to it's top competition the BUSA is limited.. BUT CC for CC the 12R stomps the guts OUT OF THE BUSA ! Sadly though the 10R covers the 12 in the same situation.. AND 1080cc 3 mill 10Rs will make high 190s in the Hp department. Still smaller by far than the 12 or Busa or 14...

Gunner, I think you will find that a 460 lb. 12R will run nicely with your 10R. :D

So, what were the terms of these races and venue? Just curious...

Shane we race mainly on a vacant HWY much like Ship does.. Long enough to bump the limiter in 6th... 90% of the time from a roll to take as much rider talent out of the equation as possible..Making it bike for bike.. With the exception that most riders can't shift worth a shit even at that.. As for Chad he needs no explaining where he races his stuff. You know how all this works Shane.. It's a close circle of people in any given area with fast stuff. AND then there's the rest. The rest sort their self out and that guy moves up the chain.. Finally reaching the real group of fast bikes and finding out if indeed he belongs there or gets sent back to crawl back up the chain... Thus eliminating the need for the truly fast bikes to race every fucker in town that just purchased what he thinks is the rocket of all time. So a few times a summer the phones ring and we all meet up to take down or be taken down by some new guy that has worked his way up by beating someone notable and known to have a fast bike... We break into classes by power adders just like any organization would. You aren't running a turbo or sprayed bike against a lunger and declare yourself King of the hill. You can be king of said group of peers. As much as I love the 10R it's not beating a sprayed or blown motor. It's not beating a stretched and slammed bike from the hole. Common sense rain supreme...

Probably would... I haven't seen too many of those... And I'm not sure what it would take to get that much weight off of a 12R.. I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap.. And once more for the same money spent to get that 12R to that point .. Spend same or less on 10R and it's still the same..
Here's a short Video of our Hwy and of course the beloved 10R rippin the guts out of a slacker Suzuki. Funny actually because this guy just spent BIG money having his 1K all super sported out.. Bla Bla... It made over 180 and was spinning the world backwards every time he let the clutch out.. He took his broken heart and slow ass shit home.. Crushed ego and dreams of taking down one mean ass 10R... The air around these parts is about 1300 on a good day..

With only few exceptions I can tell you at a glance and a few minutes of observing if a guys bike is capable of running in top form or not.. There's a few areas of the bike that are easy to notice if the bike is maintained in top condition. How does a guy treat his motor leading up to a race? How does he treat his clutch on his way to a race...

Another funny example..... I have this guy last year call me out with his built motor 14.. (came to my own house spouting his mouth) Said it had never been beat by anything EVER.... So I'm thinkin what do I have to lose? and if I win ...... Well ... So we take a ride with about 6 of his buddies and only one of mine.. After about 10 minutes into the ride I knew he was toast.. He was punishing his motor and clutch the entire way out to the spot we had picked to race.. Wheelies and spinning the tire.. I'm laughing my dick off watching this moron seal his doom... When we arrived he was beat 9 out of ten times very easy..... I allowed him a 6th gear roll on from 60 mph so he could win something.. i SHOULD HOPE THE 14 WOULD PULL THE 10 AT 60 IN 6TH...

This stuff is a complete package deal to win.... Properly prepped and maintained equipment KEPT in top condition 100% of the time.. A rider that can ride, and a rider that understands how to NOT lose the race before it happens... I have honestly beat guys before went back and switched bikes and beat them on the same bike they just lost on.. Those guys really get hurt feelings.. As a general rule of thumb..... A nasty bike with a nasty chain is a slow bike... Because if a guy isn't keeping up the simple task of keeping those things in proper condition, he's certainly not keeping the air filter clean and the ram air all sealed up, and the oil changed, or chain adjusted... Only about 5% do these things religiously.. The rest ........ well let's just say they are just that.... The rest

Don't you think the 10R is more suited to smaller guys, like Chad?

Shane everything is more suited to smaller riders like Chad.. That also goes for race horses... It don't matter if it's a 6, 10, or 14 Smaller rider is always better.. Weight is weight and Chad is going to be faster on your 14 than you or I will ever be short of us taking chemo and dropping an unforeseen 50 pounds..

Look at the total package weight... What would you weigh on your 10R total and what do you weigh on your 14 total.. The 10R is always going to be lighter. What is the power number for your 14? Most equipped as yours are lucky to make in the 180s RIGHT? with most in the 170s... Now what does a well tuned and modded 10 make with the same mods as your 14? 170 or close? The power is there but the weight isn't... Hard to beat.. Even 200 pound guys will be faster on the 10.. Chad will be faster but that's relevant.

So even a slightly under powered 10R in top prep and tune still beats a more powerful and heavy bike that is in piss poor tune and not properly prepped..


By the way Shane if I haven't said this before I like what you have done with your 14.. And your bike would fall into the category of properly done and maintained... NOT LACKING

Well, it is not really fair for me to compare my 10R to my 14. My 14 is only about 25 lbs. heavier than my 10 was. But there is a lot more weight to be shaved from a 14 than from a 10.

The 10's that you and Chad have ridden are excellent machines. And it will take an equally well prepped big bike to best them. There aren't many out there. Too many people subscribe to the "bigger is better" theory...and forget about the details that make a bike fast.

Thanks for the compliments on my bike. It will get dialed in with some time, and I am very happy with how it is running so far.

I see that we see eye to eye on this subject... As you said most people think their 10R will run like my 10R or their 14 or Busa will run like the fastest one they ever seen or in most cases READ about in some JACKED UP MAG that was paid to report slanted stories to pump the sales of whomever was paying on that particular day... The real world just don't work like the fairy tell books... In the real world Ship is one bad ass 12R pilot.. Sal is BAD ASS on anything he builds and tunes, Dean has the baddest turbo 10R on earth, And as you have posted on another site the Busa is dollar for dollar cheaper to make go fast once the gloves come off and the cash starts flying.. As for me I just happen to live close by some really fast guys in the Millhollands and once and a great while I get to measure my stuff against theirs to keep myself in check and my equipment up to where it needs to be. I swore many years ago to never have another trailer queen that had to be dragged all over the place to run.. If I can't walk out and put the key in and ride off it's of no use to me anymore.. I'm lovin the LSR deal and it's tempting to do.. But I know where all that leads and right now my next project is remote mounted turbo on my Suburban.. I drive that everyday and the fun factor seems high for that toy..

The 10 is ultimately faster, but I personally I bought the 12 cos its roomy and comfortable, but still pulls like a train.

Ok so my curiosity got the best of me. I went on a covert op to the Kawi dealer and scoped an 08 ZX10. I had been looking it over very carefully when one of the service reps walks up and what he said next almost made me pass out.

"You want to ride one?"

Now depending on who is reading this or where you are from this may not be an oddity, but that just dosent happen around here, ever. Some places dont even let you sit on them. Turns out they have one that they had been testing tires on and such, and the store owner likes to ride it too. They saw my bike out front, not to mention the fact that I'm in full gear. One peep at my ID with my ride out front for collateral, and they rolled it out the service bay for me.

Let me say this thing is an absolute BEAST to me, wheelie mosnter too. Slices and dices back and forth with surgical precision. Not quite the low end grunt that I was used to but the way this thing rips up top MORE than makes up for it. After riding it I can see why I am going to have to be on my A-Game once my buddy gets dialed in on it(if he buys it). All this said though, I still wouldent trade at this point. MY 12R is big, fairly comfy for a rocket. Much better seat than the 10 IMO, and the position is just more relaxed. If I have to step down from supreme all out champ then so be it, but on the other side of that coin; this could be a great excuse for me to begin upping the ante with some extra power of my own.


Thanks for all the replies,
Max

Hmmmm.

That is rare...good stuff!

At our shop there is a waiver that you must fill out to do any test rides. We do not let anyone ride an R1, R6, or any of the upper end Aprilias that we sell. We will do the paperwork and let you take the bike. If you come back in a few miles and say it is not what you want we will unwind the deal. Were protected and not many people will go through all the hassle of a credit check and DMV paperwork just for a joy ride.

That's what I've seen before. Like a few miles to check it out kinda thing. I would never expect for someone to just let me ride one with nothing more than copying my drivers license and my bike setting out front to make sure I come back. I've spent quite a bit of time at this dealership in the past, and they know me there but still. Maybe they were thinking that might sell me on a trade or buying it outright, and who knows they might have down the road.

Either way, my mission in finding out what these machines are made of was accomplished.

Honestly I love both bikes... My 05 10R fits me well. It's just as comfy to me as my 12R was. If I wasn't making my Suburban Turbo project my main focus right now I would be up on the 12R that's for sale right now on the site.. None of my post are intended to in any way bad mouth the 12R in any way. The 12R is still my all time favorite bike EVER produced. Everyone likes what they like and it's all good. Just remember there's a time and place for everything. Keep it safe...

I almost forgot to mention that a properly set up 12R of 1287cc has been 210.88 mph at Maxton, all motor. There has not been an all motor 10R that could touch that. Choose your weapon, and then choose your builder very carefully! :D

Shane you didn't think I missed something Sal did over there did ya... My cylinder head on the 10R is a Coby Adams piece, BUT the next time it come off for a freshen up it will go to Sal... His valve spring and seat work are second to none.. Honestly my opinion of Sal is simple.. He's the best at his game right now.. That guy could probably get a Harley to run if he had the desire to fuck with it.... By the way what does your 14 weigh the way you have it currently..

462 lbs. with 3 gallons of gas in it. I still have quite a ways to go with it, but I have been a bit lazy about working on it lately. Fortunately it has a fair amount of torque, so it moves the weight pretty easily.

I think at the end of the day, in terms of FASTEST (meaning peak MPH given virtually unlimited distance) you have to look at main variables: Horsepower and Aerodynamics. Weight matters in acceleration contests but flat out it takes a back seat to HP and Aero. That being said I feel most people will have better wind protection overall on the ZX12 given its larger frontal. At the end of the day, pour tons of money into the 12R and the 10R, it will be pretty obvious the 12 will get the nod. Same reason the Busa vs the 12 war always favors the Busa in the end due to better aero and a larger motor.

Merely thumbing through land speed records and comparing 1000cc records to 1350 will reveal a lot.

A.

Exactly. And in the mile, it gets a little more complicated. Then you have to look at hp, weight, aero's, and even the smallest nuances of rider technique. You can't make many mistakes, especially with a low hp machine. I have personally found the torque of a big engine be much more forgiving (dragstrip and mile).

Deffinetly... I know it may sound by the way I talk on here that it will be ruthless fight to the death but its simply not the case. I am very competitive and I NEVER underestimate my opponent, but at the end of the day he is still my friend and it shall be a friendly race.

I know, a race is a race and still relatively dangerous. But I believe that if it is among friends, one would be less likely to make a rash decision in an attempt to win at all costs. I'm still going to give it my all, as will he, but not at the expense of someones life.

I agree here Ship.. We built a Salt Flat car for a close friend in the shop a couple of years back. We actually added 3000 pounds of weight to the under side of the frame. Sounded crazy and backwards to every race car we ever built. But the weight don't matter at the salt and in fact as I'm told it helps.. We actually bolted HUGE pieces of 1/2" steel plate all over the under side.. Funny thing is trying to find weight to remove is very hard BUT trying to add a huge amount like that is just as hard...


This thread was actually geared toward a street race.. I'm guilty of getting it off track and bringing LSR events into play.. For what you and Shane do I agree 200% that the larger more aero package is the only way to travel.. No doubt...... For this street race on relatively stock or just moderately modded bikes it will most likely favor the 10R if the riders are equal in size and skills.. Toss in one Zach,or Chad Millholland, or one Shiphteey and suddenly size and skill will most likely determine the outcome no matter which bike they ride..

That about sums it up I should think..


Shane once more I'll say your 14 is done right..

Agreed, the new breed of liters are damn quick and by the time most guys on the bigger bikes "lock up" and try to slowly claw back over 1 mile has passed and most simply do not stay in it long enough. On the streets ET is what matters.

08 10R smaller guy than me. doesnt mph like me in the 1/4, even when all i was running was a pipe, power commander and K&Ns(his current setup as well). i think his best was a 146 to my 148 stock motor to stock motor. im damn near running 150 this yr, but i did a few things that hurt power in order to be safer for spray.
the guy with the 10 really doesnt like me, last time i ran him, he got all worked up and lost before we even started. i tore him a new one lol 9.37 @ 149.5 to 10.40 @ 140

to the guy with the 12, get a full pipe/power commander combo, and get it tuned with a slightly rich map. (track map). it will make a world of difference. my bike, with a slip on, only ran 135 in the 1/4....the header is very restrictive

Keep dreaming..... Get a clue or come on over and I'll educate you for free... YOU WILL NOT BEAT A PROPERLY SET UP 10R ON THE STREET.. Sorry but I once owned 2 12s at one time and got rid of both in favor or the faster 10R.. Bla bla bla.....

Do you have any track numbers?

It's all about how these bikes are set-up once you deviate from stock. The 12 has more potential for speed due to displacement and aeros but with mild mods the 10r's high state of tune and weight make it the quicker bike on the street. Notice I didn't say "faster"?

As for the 10r... The 04-05's were by far the slowest due to aeros. 06-07's were the ones for LSR. I haven't even heard of what the 08-09's have done in the mile so the jury is out on them.

What I know for sure is that the quicker bike will always be dictated by the skill of the rider and tune/setup of the bike... Not mag stats that are often "corrected" times, not the brand or model badged on the side, and most certainly not one's "previous experience" going up against a certain model. I've seen fast bikes go slow and slow bikes go fast.. It all depends.

step 1 : buy new front sprocket one tooth smaller
step 2 : buy new rear sprocket one tooth larger
step 3 : install new parts (chain length and wheelbase will remain the same)
step 4 : do NOT tell your 10r owning friend, about the new parts
step 5 : go out and SMOKE your 10r owning friend

problem solved.
:-)

edit - and step 6 : buy a speedo healer or yellow box.

Scott's bike is a 1287.

My Ducati's faster than Barbi's Buell, oh yes it is.

So is my Wang.

We're not talking built motors here.... This discussion was modded stock motor for stock motor... Once more some people clearly can't read or feel the need to slip backwards with stock motors to make their Built motor seem faster than it is.. Sorta like cheating where I come from....

phantom....... Sal posted big numbers on Deisel's bike at maxton I'm well aware... But I assure you that's the only fast one I ever seen and I've raced against many.. Don't forget or sell Chad's bike short as it has been 202 over there as well... I'm 100% sure it has stock pistons....

I don't personally consider a motor built until the pistons change.. The rest of the modding that takes place up to that in my book is just Blue Printing... This is mainly why most class rules are centered around CCs .... ( A PISTON change)

Won't happen...... I have owned both at the same time ... Actually two 12s and a 10.... It won't happen..... They make the same power and the 10 is over 100 pounds lighter and that extra 20 pounds of torque will only help the 12 if the guy on the 10 allows you to go from a roll at too slow a speed..

Gunner, don't let your love of your 10R cloud your judgement. It's easy to take a prepped bike and beat up on the unsuspecting.

But just so I'm reading you loud and clear...you are saying that no stock piston 12, 14, or Busa is going to wallop you on your 10R? That no stock piston 12, 14 or Busa with equal riders can run with your 10R? And that includes any mods as long as the competing bike has no power adder, and stock pistons?

My comment had nothing to do with Deezuhl's 06 ZX-10R Maxton record, but if you wan't to compare Sal to Chad... take into consideration Sal is roughly 50lb's heavier and significantly taller, that's a 3+mph advantage on weight alone. Keep things apples to apples if you're going to compare speeds.

The 04-05's simply didn't have the aero's. But I'm not going to sit here and convice you, call up Sal and ask him yourself. He raced a supersport 04 ZX-10R in the 9/10th's for a long time before Deezuhl's 06 came around. Same mods done to both bikes, Sal went much faster on the 06, day in and day out at the 9/10th's. Nobody even runs the 04-05's at the 9/10th's anymore... lol.

I had 18/44 gearing and running really rich when I ran the 04/05 model ZX10 in this vid. He's about 100 lbs heavier than me and my bike at the time was a little lighter than stock, stock wheels:

Watch my starting RPMS:



Passed the 10 deep in 5th. Had I had 17/46 gearing it would have been brutal but I was running around on Bonneville set-up, plus given my weight it helps make the runs with other guys on the street more competitive.

10R again, you'll see the wheel wobble initially, I checked out on him notably adding more and more distance through the gears.



He's no slouch in terms of a rider but this would be an example where the weight really comes into play in the 12 vs 10 discussion. Most people don't race someone with a nitrous map off spray and -2 in the rear...

A.

Shane, I know a guy down here who frequents the 9/10th's every now and then. He's an older man who believes whatever bike HE is on... is the fastest out there and it can not be beaten by anything equal to it in mods. In fact the first time I met him was with Sal after we came back from the races and stopped at the park to rest and talk bikes.

He owned 3 Busa's at the time. All 3 modified identically with pipes, pc3's, gearing, filter, and custom dyno tune. He claimed he's NEVER been beaten by a ZX-12R. He told me that he even beat a built one that came out of a reputable local shop. He then went on to tell me he once owned 2 ZX-12R's and sold them both for the Busa's.... so he insisted that he knew what he was talking about when he said that no ZX-12R could beat him with equal mods.

So of course, I took the bait and called him out to the 9/10th's to race. We went, with a small group of his friends as witnesses. We lined up and ran..... I beat him by 12+ bikelengths (and I have the vid to prove it!) and 6+mph according to GPS.

We were the same weight, both bikes made the same 175rwhp sae on the same local dyno, both bikes had the same mods (different brand parts of course). He then went on to tell me that I must have the "fastest ZX-12R in the world" because he's never seen one pull that hard before and he's raced plenty.

Mind you, this was back when I was sporting a stock untouched engine, foot shifting, stock revs, stock tank, stock bodywork, stock tire, and pump gas.

I swear on my life this is all 100% true.


So when I hear someone (not just you Gunner) say something like, "No [insert bike name] will ever beat my [insert bike name] with [insert stipulations]" ..... I laugh like hell and remember Old man Bob and his 3 Busa's.


Turns out, he came back a few weeks later with what he claimed was his "fastest Busa of the 3" and wanted a rematch. I gave him the jump and took off from a dead stop once he got about 7-8 bikes ahead. I came around him right after clicking into 6th gear and still put 2 bike lengths on him.


He now has a ZX-14.... and still claims to be the fastest guy around. Sometimes when Sal and I are working on a bike in the shop, Old man Bob will come up in a conversation and we'll both get a good laugh.

That's a great story, Mike...and no doubt 100% true. I know a few guys like "Bob" as well...and I sometimes just let them have their fantasy world. It's easier that way, and everyone walks away happy with what they "know".

I think almost all of us have went through a phase of thinking our particular bikes were "the sh!t". The more time you spend at the track, the more it opens your eyes.

my times in my sig. 1300ft elevation, about a 90 degree day in the middle of a nebraska summer. stock pipe, air filters, tune, etc. The 12 is definitely no slouch, even stock.

zx-10's are for pencil dick mother fuckers who have Mommy fixations and eat 6 times a week at Taco-Bell and McDonalds on Sunday.

Other than that, they are okay bikes.

:-)

Shane..
You really think we beat up on unsuspecting? I need to go to church and ask to be forgiven..

I stand corrected... The 9/10 Florida gang are the undisputed rulers of all racing.. And if a certain bike isn't run in 9/10s racing it's clearly unworthy...

Ship..... come on the guy only out weighed you by 100 pounds by your estimation? Shit that's about equal... For the life of me I can't see why he would have lost that...

I need to get busy parting this slow POS out on ebay..

Fuck you Bob I hardly ever fixate on Mommy anymore... Ever since you sent me that picture of you in a G-String