awesome!!!

Congratulations Ship

: mfclap::cl ap:

I can do that....(not!) The Flying Ship.....way cool....

Congrats!!! That was cool.

So awesome! Congrats!!

Edited to add: You are blessed with awesome friends.

excellent job...how much faster do u think u would go with the fairing on

Thanks fellas...

...I'll find out soon enough.

A.

Awesome! I'd love to see how fast you can go on Shane's bike!

Cool stuff man. Congrats.

I don't know much about this sort of thing, so I have to ask, why did you run the bike without fairings? Is that a different "class" or something? Just wondering.

Nice payoff for a lot of hard work!! Congrats on the 200 mph club!!

Congrats Ship!

Excellent video.

Ship you guys are really making me want to go LSR racing....... Damnit !!!! I said NO MORE RACING !!!

Fair Play.

Nice one for doin' it.

Yes, it is a different class.

With fairings the bike would run in Partially Streamlined. The record for that class is in excess of 218 mph.

Congrats ali!!

congrats man

Set by a ZX12 too.

Thanks fellas...we had a few 12s turn out to this event but overall the numbers are on the decline...hopefully some more of you guys/gals will come out and represent.

A.

Awesome job Ship!!!!! Congrats!

Loved the video! Congrats again!

Very well produced vid, cut out all the vegies and gave us meat and potattas! Congrats for sure!!!!

Well, I'm definitely trying to be that person!!!
Just give me that clean bill of health.

Well done

Soooo how come the 14 and busa aren't up to that yet??

OK, can I have my Light back now??

I KNOW just how much fun you really had and take a few weeks of rest to get over it! The #1 thing I noticed was with you head on the tank / Frame, how high up you looked!! Made me feel a LOT better!.

I heard all of the slipping and could not believe that on THAT run you set the record! I know how much you would have liked a "CLEAN" run, but if you had a CLean Run, there would not be anything to look forward to! U da Man ALi!!

Haha, thanks Vincent, I appreciate it. I don't fit all that well on the 12. With the cut down tank scooted back my chin is right by the top of the air filter slots whereas most people who jump on my bike are much closer to the steering damper. Suffice to say I'm looking forward to running the bodywork again with the cut tank, something I haven't done as of yet. I don't have your number anymore VH since I got my replacement phone so PM it to me when you can, thanks!

A.

Well, for starters, the 14 is a 1352cc engine, which unfortunately puts it in the "bigger pond" of 1351-1650cc class. It has to go up against built, big motor busas. It can be done though, and already has been done by Debbie Dross on the nitrous Busa (202.x mph) naked. You lose a lot of mph from removing the bodywork and it works your neck out, but its a rush!

A.

The Busa owns Maxton.

As far as I know, the 12R only has 3 records at Maxton. The Busa's are too busy going 240+ mph to worry about it. There is at least one naked Busa at Maxton, right now, that can run with Ali's 12...and he knows the one I am talking about.

Anyone who thinks the 12R is a better racing platform than the Busa needs their head examined. You race a ZX-12R because it is your passion..not because it is the best choice for making big power. As for the 14, give it time...it is a relatively new platform. There aren't many 2nd gen Busa's putting down the big #'s yet, either.

I love my 12R, and my 14. But for ultimate speed you can't beat the Busa at it's own game.

I suppose you have a good point Shane.. Although Zach and I were talking the other day about the 12R and 14... It appears that for the same amount of power the 12 is still faster at LSR events... I would have thought this to be different myself.. What's your thoughts on why the 14 isn't showing better numbers?

Realistically, stock motor, I don't see the 12R as being as fast mod for mod. If you are talking about Zack Millholland, his 14 has run as fast as 199 with (as far as I know) basically a pipe and power commander. When my 14 was still heavy, it averaged 9 mph faster than I ran on my 12R. The 12R is more demanding to go fast on...I would be willing to bet that 9 out of 10 guys would go faster on the 14.

From the standpoint of a heavier rider, the 14 simply pulls the gears more easily. You can't ride the 14 like it is a 12R, or vice-versa. There are some design compromises with the 14 as related to LSR. That is one reason why it is quicker at the dragstrip by a substantial amount. In the case of my bike, I am working to eliminate some of these compromises.

The ultimate capabilities of the 14 will certainly be proven to be higher than those of the 12R. As of now nobody is exploiting the enhancements of the 14, but I'm sure we will see this change very soon. CC for CC you will see the 12R make more power because of it's highly oversquare design and excellent cylinder head. However, the 14 can be made much bigger than the 12R, and in the end I think we will see that equate to more mph when properly built. In addition to being larger, the 14 is simply a stronger platform.

So as not to threadjack too much, I will end this by saying that it is not easy to be a 12 (or 14) in a sea of highly proven and fast Busa's. And for that, a big round of applause for Ali, for getting it done on a Kawasaki.

Yea he has gone 199 on that 14 in the state of tune you mentioned. BUT Dan. Zach and Chad all went over 200 on Dan's 12R in the same state of tune several years ago... And the 14 is a larger motor.... Don't get me wrong here I'm very surprised the 14 isn't running a lot better than it is.. The 12 isn't produced any longer as we all now ad I'm a Kawasaki lover to the bone.. The 14 is the bike we now have to work with..

And yea................. Ship is probably the most loyal to his A1 I have ever seen..

That 12 motor had the head off, and it was running increased compression. It also had Bear Stacks (not made for the 14). They also had some degree of tailwind, per Dan. So, I don't know that you can really say "It was in the same state of tune".

As far as being "very surprised the 14 isn't running a lot better than it is"...well, no ZX-12 in the country has approached the 230 mph mark set by a 14 at the Texas Mile. Much like 12R before it, the 14 is overlooked in favor of the Busa. Perhaps in 10 years we will see the fastest 14's...like we are seeing with the 12R's now.

My point was that since there is a naked cat. on maxton how come 14s' and busas didn't do so well and so the reply from ship was that there is also a busa close to his record.

Not if the 12 is a better bike than the 14....

And my 14 centric replies were directed to Gunner, who specifically asked about the performance of the 14 compared to 12R. As in:

I hope that clears things up for you. As far as which is the better bike, that is not what I was talking about. I was talking about which bike has more top speed potential.

I suppose after 4 years in production I figured the 1352 power plant would show much better numbers than the 1199 mill. Tell me more about the mods to the 14 that went 230 at Texas.. And I agree that you race a 12R because it's a passion not the best choice for the job at hand. Kinda like trying to run a Ford in NHRA ProStock.. It can be done but it's an expensive up hill battle..

Well, at the dragstrip the 14 is much more successful than the 12 ever has been. Like I said, it is more targeted at the dragstrip than LSR. As for the 14 that went 230 at Texas, it was a turbo.

There simply aren't many 14's (or 12's) being used for LSR. Nothing in the near future is going to take the place of the Busa.

It's one thing to look at a very select few bikes being run at LSR events. It's another to own and race both. Then you can really better compare the performance on many levels. Up until this year, the fastest all motor 12R was a built stroker (1394?) that the Millhollands also rode. It went 208. Only about 7 mph than their stock displacement bike went. What does that tell you about apples and oranges comparisons? Could a built 1352 ZX-14 go 208 mph at Maxton? I'd say it is very likely considering that several stock motor ones are approaching 200 mph. Sal did a Stage 1 14 that went 200 mph, in 9/10th's of a mile, on pump gas. He is expecting more out of it than that at Maxton. And that is by no means a "built" motor.

In the end, it doesn't matter too much. Anyone racing a Kawasaki in the LSR world is probably pretty happy with their choice of bike, 12 or 14. Otherwise they would be riding a Busa. :)

I agree with that... The 14 has a hell of a lot better clutch for drag racing than the 12 ever dreamed of. And the easy rout is a Busa... How you feel the 12 and 14 stack up Aero wise? Of course we all just seen Ship go 203 without fairings... And again I agree with Vince's statement.. I can't see how he managed that running thru the clutch like the bike was doing... Strange situation..

I just remember "KEEP UPSHIFTING AND KEEP GOING WOT" is what my brain was telling me....6th didn't slip so I had that mother PINNED and hit the rev limiter before the traps!

A.

I think the 14 probably gets the aero nod...but I think they could have done a little better. If you take a close look at it next to a Busa, the Busa has a clear advantage. The 12 definitely lays down the hp, but the aero's held it back somewhat. IMO, neither 12 nor 14 has the ergonomics at speed that you get with the Busa.

Ali will go a lot faster with fairings...probably over 210 mph.

14 more aero than the 12? Do they have any aero figures for each with a rider tucked on both yet? I remember they did the 12 vs busa a while back but never the 14 vs 12. Figure mirror removal for both and front signal removal for the 12 would be a fair comparision (LSR spec)...hmm.

A.

The only wind tunnel test I've seen is 14 vs. Busa, and they were very close. If you look at the slab sides of the 12...well, that doesn't help. Angular shapes may look cool, but they don't help aero's. There was a picture on here awhile back of a stock aero 14 and 12 side-by-side, and it was very evident that the 12 was not as clean. However, start modding the bikes aero's and anything can happen.

Yea the old Lambos proved that years ago...

Just using the eyeball aero gauge the 14 looks to be a little more slippery than the 12... But, that don't necessarily make it so..

The 12 has a lot better aeros than the busa and 14 in except one thing...The tail.
It is too high and it leaves too much space for the air to become more turbulant than on the tail section of the 14 or the busa(that is specificaly curved towards the road..) and it makes more drag..
That is why the 12 has worst aeros..

Notice the front section of the ducati gp bike and you'll see how close it is with the 12.
Heck,even the new carbon frame of the ducati gp is simmilar to the 12.The airbox and the head tube are one piece..

Where did you get this information?

Hell the Moto GP bikes today hardly even have a tail... Hmmmmmm

It is aeros,i haven't read it some where.It is the same pricipal that applies on the golf ball!

No dips and travels less meters cause air has smoothely traveled over the surface and has left a huge gap of air on the back side.

With the dips on the ball the air passes more turbulant on the surface of the ball so on the back side the masses of air going round leave no vacum and the ball goes further.

By making the tail of the busa curved and the tail of the 14 lower is like putting dips on the golf ball.The 12 is like a smooth round ball.Perfect for going round corners but has more wind resistance..

Wikipedia should expalin this alot better than me!!

Actually The ZX11 Owns Maxton!! Several with 1000 CC Turbo engines have gone over 220! and CLoser to 230!! More Aero than the 12 or 14!

Are these the two records you are referring to?:

9201 APS/BG-1000/4 Shammas Motorcycle Performance Bob Shammas Mar-03 218.404
9201 APS/BF-1000/4 Shammas Motorcycle Performance Bob Shammas Mar-03 217.954

Dean will be in line to eclipse those with his 10R:

1440 MPS/BG-1000/4 Sabatinelli / SM2W Dean Sabatinelli Apr-09 225.340
1440 MPS/BF-1000/4 Sabatinelli / SM2W Dean Sabatinelli Apr-09 223.395

Some Hayabusa #'s:

8-B APS/BG-1650/4 Yancy Racing Lee Shierts Sep-05 249.521
8-B APS/BF-1650/4 Yancy Racing Lee Shierts Sep-05 247.443
8-B APS/BF-3000/4 Yancy Racing Lee Shierts Sep-05 252.178
8-B MPS/BF-3000/4 Yancy Racing Lee Shierts Oct-05 260.288
9303 MPS/BG-2000/4 Team DaveO Charlie Anstaett May-08 256.798
9303 MPS/BF-2000/4 Team DaveO Charlie Anstaett Sep-08 259.856

And how about this...all motor Busa (no turbo, no nitrous):

4182 MPS/F-1650/4 Forstall/DeLuca/Knecum Mark DeLuca May-09 225.878

As you can see, the Busa is really ruling the roost. Nice to see some Kawasaki's setting a few records though!

Shane you are a party pooper my friend

Gunner's got a point!! Fast is fast, tho...

Some pics and data from an old Sport Rider article on Busa vs. 12R areos






Sport Rider article link - Sport Rider-Testing Suzuki Hayabusa and Kawasaki ZX-12R aerodynamics in the wind tunnel

CONGRATS ship !!!!!!

Way to go man, way to go.

All this talk of Aeros, don't you just love Vince's tail work... ;)

Well since SHIP just got done re-setting HIS OWN record in the class, I would submit that in the contex of this thread,

BUSA's DON'T OWN SHIT !!!!!

;)

LOL, if you only knew...

i am just happy i hit 190 and todd got 191.5 i should of grabbed his k&n filters and stacks to see if that would get me up there axcept the fuel. it was fun.

Dennis, with some more tuning and goodies under good conditions 200 mph is within reach for you, especially at Loring!

A.

They always told me that the Back end was more important than the Front end. (Now to explain that to my wife