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post #1 of 10 Old 06-08-2015, 07:42 AM Thread Starter
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ZX10R 2006 front lockup

Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum, and also to the Kawasaki brand.
I've been riding since 2013 with my first bike being a 1000 gixxer k4. Never had problem with it, it was smooth bike, comfortable and forgiving.

2 months ago I bought a 2006 ZX10R with just 19k km on the clock. The bike was fixed after an accident and in good condition, the price was good so I went after it.
It's a great bike, very lightweight and after 4k rpm it goes crazy.

Now, on my problem. For the last month I had two crashes due to front wheel locking up after emergency braking. I'd say that my first accident was probably due to me, being new with the bike, and the fact that there was sand on the road, but 2 days ago absolutely the same thing happened on perfectly good road. I realize that its pretty much my fault, for the panic braking, but I'm just so frustrated, that I had to ask if anyone else was having same issues with this model.
I've never had such problem with the suzuki (and I've got much more kilometers ridden on it) and that makes me think that it could be something with the front brakes/forks on the zx10r.

Any comments would be appreciated, but just please don't attack me. I've got nothing against the bike.


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post #2 of 10 Old 06-08-2015, 08:44 AM
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There is nothing off the top of my head that would still allow the breaks to function, yet increase there lock up chances...

If there is a problem does it have any other symptoms? Does it do anything funky at low speeds?

You can try better brake lines, and a calliper refresh, as these may increase feel at the lever potentially helping you?

Alas its probably just your used to that slow gsxr, and now your coming in hot to every turn... ;)
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Also, just in case your a total nub, r u distributing breaking forces evenly? Are you using the rear break?

During emergency breaking u should lock up the rear first everytime....

Then when u still see ur gonna hit whatever is in front of u, thats when the front lockup usually happens, when u know ur overdoing it, so u go for that extra ten percent breaking, but ur alternative is go into the side of a car ten mph faster, that lockup can shave that last little bit of speed... before letting u slide right into whatever it was...

In my one major woman cut me off lanesplitting accident, i can still remember locking up the front 15 ft before impact... probably avoided breaking bones thx to the ever slight reduction in speed....

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Haha. In an emergency, if you can you should swerve to avoid the obstacle, not lock up brakes. Locking up either wheel causes loss of control, all be it the rear is the less of 2 evils, but you should always try to avoid an accident before reaching for a fistfull of brakes. Ride like you're gonna be in an accident at any time, and you can avoid 99.99% of situations you will come across, and won't need to use evasive maneuvers.

Aside from that little tid bit....

Perhaps the Suzy brakes were not as good as the Kaw brakes, and when you grab a handfull of the front, you are gonna lock them up. The nature of the beast. There ain't much beyond operator error that would cause what you are describing. Riding outside of your skills. Learn the machine and become very familiar with her before you play. Your life depends on it.

Now, notwithstanding the chance there is any issues with your braking system, are there any other symptoms? If you just squeeze hard in a panic and they lock up, well, that is what they do. If they go from free to lock up with very little pressure or super sudden, then yea, I would look at the possibility of caliper issues. If they do nothing for a lot of lever travel then slam on, look at the master and calipers. If they worked normal in all times except your panic braking, I would say refer to the above advice and slow her down a bit and pay closer attention to your surroundings.


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True true about avoidance, but iono about 99.9, i get cut off everytime i ride, every now and then while lanesplitting with no where to go, if you dont know how to panic stop. Emergency stop, whatever. Ur screwed.

When my good friend had his lanesplitting accident, i said he probably could have dodged it...

When the same thing happened to me i wasnt saying that nemore... during this accident breaking skill kept it to torn ligaments and bruising rather than broken leg and not being able to walk normal or possibly ever....

Sometimes other drivers errors cause u to make a choice. Have a bad accident. Or a worse one...

E braking can minimize the damage in those horribly shitty situations.

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Yea. When lane splitting, it's a commit or die situation. I hear that. Most riders here don't do that, as it is not legal here to lane split. Some still do tho. Dangerous shit considering nobody here looks for bikes of any kind anyways, let alone lane splitting. I can see an emergency stop being pretty crucial in that sitch, or that unforseen left turn from the right lane. You're right in you want to remember to hit both brakes and use that rear to lock if need be.

Todays bikes front brakes will flip you over if you ain't careful. Especially dual disc.

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Just quick question. Do you have those cheap Chinese knockoff levers? They are usually not machined correctly and will always keep pressure on the brakes so they will lock up very easily. Sometimes on their own. Especially with radial master cylinders.
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How many fingers do you normally brake with? Two or three should be sufficient with modern brakes, but if you use a fistful you may encounter this situation!

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Thanks everyone for the amazing response!
It's true, the kawi front brakes are better than the suzuki's. My ZX10R is equipped with the factory tokico calipers + the factory Nissin brake leveler. I'm using 3 fingers for braking. Also, the bike came with new front high class "racing" brake pads + I've changed the brake fluid with Motul DOT 5.1.
Again, I'm pretty sure this is all up to me because of the panic braking and squeezing hard the leveler, but still, I'm wondering why this never happened on the suzuki and now I've had two similar crashes for a month :/ Could be just a malchance for getting in such situations.
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I agree that the kawi front brakes are better than the suzuki's. My ZX10R is equipped with the factory tokico calipers + the factory Nissin brake leveler.
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