Well, the bike is 100% broken in now and after running into some scheduling conflicts, we were finally able to get some INITIAL tuning done today.

Conditions were as follows...

92*F and TONS of humidity (just rained in the morning).

Runs were done at approx. 12pm - 2pm


Ran 6/10th's of a mile in these swamp conditions....


190.2mph on GPS in just 6/10th's of a mile .... NATURALLY ASPIRATED and it's not even tuned!! Let me repeat that.... OVER 190mph IN LITTLE OVER 1/2 MILE!! Still running on the rich side at about 12.4:1 too!

PUMP GAS
STOCK TIMING
STOCK BODYWORK
STOCK WHEELS
STOCK BRAKES
STOCK TANK
FOOT SHIFTING

We're trying to get a baseline for the performance of a ZX-12R with JUST the Stage 2 Engine package offered by ACE PERFORMANCE (www.aceperformanceracing.com). Then we're throwing all the "special goodies" on the bike to see what the ZX-12R will do with everything thrown at it.

More fine tuning will be conducted early in the week. We're hoping for 194-196mph in 6/10th's of a mile, ALL MOTOR.... which should translate into roughly 203-204mph in the full 9/10th's when it's all said and done.

Then of course... there's the Nitrous..... :twisted:



Shiphteey, be afraid... be VERY AFRAID.


btw, my sparring partner in the 9/10th's is a 235rwhp Turbo GSX-R1000 with ACLINDUS in the pilot seat. Gotta whip my rusty butt into shape again.

No fear here....

1) Who piloted the bike?

2) How sure were you that it was the 6/10? Another reflector or a U-turn spot?

3) Alcindus should, in "theory" walk you shouldn't he? Does he have traction issues?

Keep at it bro, 4 weeks & counting! :twisted:

A.

1. Sal was on the bike for the 190mph run. My runs were in the mid 180's. With the stock bodwork and stock tank, his aero's are much better than mine. The MODIFIED bodywork and cut-tank puts me where he is now in terms of aero's. Then of course, the weight difference alone is worth 3mph.

2. We're sure it was 6/10th's because we measured the distance on his trucks odometer.

3. Aclindus DID walk me. I would torque him HARD out of 1st gear and then by the end of 2nd gear he'd roll by me. It's kinda tough to beat a GSXR1000 on 8psi of BOOST. I'm going to need the Nitrous to run with him for sure.

4. BTW, I forgot to mention.... we were SHORTSHIFTING at 12k indicated (11.6k actual)!!! The extended ecu took a crap so the bike isn't taking advantage of the headwork or cams we've set-up to make big power beyond the stock rev limiter. Basically, the tachometer is SLAMMING into the rev limiter in every gear HARD, even in 5th and 6th. It's like you shifting at 11.5k indicated in every gear..... not good.

Either way, despite all the "stockness" of the bike, the so-so tune, the terrible heat, and being robbed of 600rpm..... the bike EXCEEDED our initial expectations.

I can't wait till we dial in the bike completely...

Sounds good to me :twisted:

This bike loves to rev, mine with head (epoxy ported) loved the extended ECU.
Like its the way kawa should have done it

Mike the distance was initially checked by my truck odometer
at .6 tenths then I checked it by your GPS and it was .59 tenths
of a mile.

damn....I get it already...

.598764 miles!!!!!!!

HaHa
You know me ! I have to be thorough
The bike is very quick and (smooooth) just keeps on pulling harder each gear you upshift.
I have many things to try to Phantoms bike and
I will be looking for another 6-7 MPH more when we are done testing and in the same distance of .6 tenths most likely we will see 196-197 MPH all motor
Will keep you guys posted :wink:

MMM I wonder what the cost of shipping a ZX12 motor from NZ to South Florida woud cost??? :D

That is awesome, nice to see things moving forward on this...been a while coming, the wait appears to be worth it though! 8)

i am with u jeffzx12 do u think it would be cheaper to send 2 motors

YEP !!!!!!!!!! That bikes going to be a contender.. WATCH OUT 8)

This is very cool. We need pics, more details on the mod package, and more stats :D

It would be awesome to see a 12 package that put the 12 in the 203mph range without boost.

Dale, the Mulholland boys both went 207.xx mph on stroker motor zx12s at Maxton so it has been done....

That being said, the Ace Bike is a 3 mill bore so its down on ccs and will be up on rider weight by at least 50 pounds if Sal rides it.

Will be pretty strong bragging rights if they go faster w/a smaller motor and a heavier rider...and that isn't taking anything away from the Mulholland boys because they aren't exactly "avg riders" either. :wink:

Here is what Phantom has in motor with a few more items added
like main and rod bearings, cam chain, race cut transmission.
All specs on engine are only given when customer picks up bike.

Stage 2 Engine Package:

- Stage 2 Cylinder Head Porting
- Serdi Millenium Valve Seat Cut
- Stage 2 Billet Camshafts
- Adjustable Camshaft Sprockets
- *Custom JE Pistons
- Cylinder Bore and Nickasil Plating
- Race Valve Springs
- Valve Seals
- Cylinder Head Gasket
- Full Custom Remap

Average Performance Gains: 12+mph in the 1/4 mile and 15+mph Top Speed.

Total Price: $4,375.00
* All Prices include Labor,Tax, and Top-Shelf Synthetic Lubricants. Drive-in/Drive-out.

I think when we are done ACE will have a very good package to offer Zx12 owners.

Does that include the big block kit as well?

That stage 2 kit is using your stock cylinders to be bored & plated.

I do have a stock bore kit (Stage 1 ) wich is a very nice package
for guys who want a fast street bike not full out race.
I did a very mild stg 1 and it was running 195 + in 9/10'ths but our
regular stg 1 should run 197-199 mph in under a mile.

I will log the (Ram air) pressure in the box to see what kind of psi
Phantom's bike is getting my guess from the mods is going to be good.
When I get that info we will post the results.
Sal.

Just to put things in perspective...I usually see about mid-high 180-something when I glance @ the speedo passing the 3/4 mile marker at Maxton. Speedo isn't that far off from actual with 18/45 gearing but it is a bit optimistic nonetheless. That is with me SPRAYING, in better conditions, with an extra .15 miles! Although the 9/10 is from a roll-on whereas Maxton is from a standstill, they do roll-ons from low speeds ... so one could "roughly" say that my extra distance gets negated to maybe .1 mile advantage due to starting from a dig?

Translation: This bike seems to be "pretty quick"

A.

Shiphteey,
9/10'ths roll vs. the standing start 1 mile ??
YOU WILL DEFINITALLY GO FASTER IN THE STANDING START 1 MILE.
Its been done by myself many times, and here is why !
Rolling start at 3,500 in 9/10 your bike is way down in power when you go 100 % throttle and its about 20-23 mph roll, O.K. now follow me here
If you start at a standing start by the time you reach 0.1 tenth of a mile
you are just clicking into 2nd gear wich is in the mid to upper 95 + mph
speed and thats where 9/10 guys take off from at 20 mph, so you already have the advantage in mph and also have the drive (MOMENTUM)
so the terminal speed will show higher doing a standing 1 mile start
9/10's by the time we reach 95 mph we are just about at the 0.2 tenths marker :idea:

I would love to see this bike run the 1/4 mile with shorter gearing
on it :shock:

1/10th=528 ft...1/8th=660 ft. Ali is at about 110+ mph at that point, for sure. Even I would be running 100+ mph at that point.

So, absolutey, the mile is a huge advatage.

Congrats to all those keeping the 12R's heart beating...strong! :twisted:

Gotcha Sal, makes sense. I was just throwing rough numbers out....tired....didn't feel like thinking

Congrats on a bike that is so far running very well. Looks like I'll have to step my game up. How much MPH is an air shifter good for ... ? How about 16 oz of fuel?

Shiphteey, if you're running mid 180's in 3/4 mile from a standing start with GOOD air (not the 92*F and 90% humidity swamp air I have :x ) on NITROUS... it's pretty safe to say that I'll be going slightly faster ALL MOTOR with ME on the bike in the same distance with same conditions.

Translation = SELL A KIDNEY AND GET A STAGE 2 ENGINE PACKAGE FROM ACE PERFORMANCE RACING! I'M 100% CONVINCED NOBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY CAN GET THE SAME REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE OUT OF A 1287CC ZX-12R THAN ACE!!


(this goes for anyone else that wants to beat up on the NEW 2008 Hayabusa's!!)

Lowers weight AND makes money....I think he will :shock:

I just may have to! Nothing else I can do but give it my all, which is what I fully intend to do!

A.

Whatever happens, I'm sure we're both going to have some big shit-eating grins on our faces when we pull into the pits.

The two top LSR guys on 12R's duking it out to see who's the SpeedKing of ZX-12R.org.

Are you planning to run at Maxton next month?

planning to get my license passes out of the way, so yeah.. if you want to consider that "running the bike".

After the license passes, if I have another pass left, it will most likely be used by Sal, just to see what the bike does with a pro rider on it.

I'm afraid I won't have any sort of "fun" at Maxton till October.

From what I understand, the license runs are intended more to familiarize the riders with the track rather than see if they can actually do the speeds.

The license runs are a good time to familiarize yourself with the track. It can be a little unsettling at first, with all of the bumps, etc..

You should be able to get more than 4 passes in one weekend, though. Assuming good track conditions/weather, I would say 4 per day, even with crowds.

Also, if you have 1/4 mile timing slips, bring them. You may be able to skip the 125 pass. The key is to talk to Keith, at the right time.

I'm sure it's going to be quite the adjustment compared to the nice perfectly smooth and straight surface at the 9/10th's that I'm accustomed to. I'll dig up a time slip and bring it with me. Thanks for the tip.

When you trap around 200....roll off smoothly, stick your head up only when the speedo goes back down about 180 or less....

stick your right knee out....gentle nudge on the right bar.....

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :twisted:

Phantom I all ready have a 1287 (J&E pistons) & hd cyl studs with the modified ECU. It has tons of torque but I want to take advantage of the 12.2 redline. Keep me posted as to when the stage 2 head and cams will be available.

The Stage 2 Headwork and Cam combo is already available. Contact Sal.

www.AcePerformanceRacing.com

Are you putting new seats in the head before you valve job it?

Tony

We are using the same seat unless the head has several valve jobs
or the seats have been damaged.

Stage 2 Engine Package:

- Stage 2 Cylinder Head Porting
- Serdi Millenium Valve Seat Cut
- Stage 2 Billet Camshafts
- Adjustable Camshaft Sprockets
- *Custom JE Pistons
- Cylinder Bore and Nickasil Plating
- Race Valve Springs
- Valve Seals
- Cylinder Head Gasket
- Full Custom Remap

Average Performance Gains: 12+mph in the 1/4 mile and 15+mph Top Speed.

Total Price: $4,375.00

I was under the impression that the stock seats were hardend, and cutting them would cut through the hardening. Then, the the valve job would be pounded out of the head in a short period of time.

Tony

No the seats are steel the valves have coatings on them and should
not be cut.

After a couple tweeks.....


195mph in just 6/10th's... ALL MOTOR!


Still have a lot of things to try out... expect at least 2-3mph MORE when it's all said and done.

This is every bit of a 203-205mph N/A 9/10th's machine... in swamp air with NO WIND ASSISTANCE!

Add another 1/10th of distance and the nice cool dense clean MAXTON air and you've got another 2mph automatically.

Is 207mph N/A possible with a 1287cc bike at Maxton? I'm starting to think so...