For $$$ :twisted:

Lemme find out! :twisted:

Is this goin down @ Maxton? :twisted:

If so, I got a friendly $20 that says Shane goes faster there on spray than Sal does n/a stock displacement . Gotta support my local peeps

Shane, if you are up for this bet you need to get at me. The spot I'm talking about it SICK with it. Absolutely smooth, long and straight. We can start from a standstill, you spray, I'll go n/a so you can get the feel for spraying.... :wink:

Holla when you're ready.....if you DO NOT go w/this assistance my money is on Sal

A.

I'm certainly game. It's just a matter of working out the details.

I think there is no question that my bike with spray can win a contest of mph at Maxton. The question is, can I ride it close enough to it's potential to beat Sal? No doubt, he will get 100% out of whatever bike he is on.

I like my odds, and I like the challenge. My bike as it sits now, soon to have some mods:



Dale's bike, as I last saw it:



Yes, that is the Biker Boyz 12R!

Hmmmmm.......................

The more I think about it, the more I think Shane may actually go .... faster! :shock:

Having ridden his bike prior to any mods he's planning for this lil battle, I can say that the bike is definately not down on MPH, having trapped the same thing I did at the strip, even though my bike was definately lighter :?

Best of luck to both.....A vs B.....n/a vs spray.....2 guys I know....this is a tough call :twisted:

Warp 12 calling out Iceman, What the hell? I guess I have been offline a while now. Damn I didnt expect to see this shit on here. And Shane, Whats on that laptop in the pic of your bike there? Thats not a dynojet program. And now NOS, Welcome to the dark side Skywalker.

This is going to be too funny....

If only you guys knew....

Dude, don't underestimate Sal...

He has a chance....

I wasn't refering to Sal's chances... 8)

Shane, like me... you're just taking up room on the track buddy. Send your money to any florida address you can find and get out of the way... we probably won't last a year or two at most in this type of racing anyway.
Todd

Status :?:

Well, I'll let THE ICE MAN or Phantom answer this one. All I can say is that I tried to negotiate the race and offered up a few hundred dollars to bet.

Apparently something scared them off? :?

Nonetheless, I am moving on to bigger and better challenges.

Looks like I can ice-skate uphill after all... :wink:

Dude, you're talking about spraying a 40-60 shot against a stock engine 12r.....

#1. That's not skating up-hill... that's flying over it.

#2. I'd still put my money on Dale's ZX-12R

#3. I propose another more REASONABLE challenge....



Spray your 60 shot of nitrous against Sal on my bike N/A.


You'll still have a good 35rwhp advantage...

Fuggit, spray that 60 shot of nitrous against ME N/A.



All bullshit aside, it's pretty lame to throw out an overwelmingly one-sided challenge and walk away thinking you're some sort of hardass when it's not accepeted.

Besides, let's keep things in perspective here.... the fastest you've gone is low 180's.... who are you to be throwing out challenges to guys like Sal?

You're only making yourself look bad here dude....

Hey bro....don't try to pass off Dale's bike as having a stock engine. The 17/47 at Maxton says otherwise. Stock parts tuned to the teeth, maybe.

Furthermore, you said it went 191 in the 9/10th's with a 220 lb. rider. That means probably 194-196 at Maxton with Sal onboard.

You also know what my top gps at Maxton is. Suffice it say, I would need to pick up a LOT of mph to run 195 gps.

I am not the guy who proclaimed that it was laughable...check your posts. As far as skating uphill...those are Sal's words.

Sal is not a god amongst men. He is a talented rider....and thus he is to be challenged by other riders, within the venue of which we compete.

Besides, I thought a 60 shot dry will blow up anyway?

I don't even have N20 on the bike right now. Fear is the killer, my friend. :wink:

#1. The bike was geared for Dale, not Sal.... thus the 17/47 gearing. No secret there. The bike is not tuned to the teeth... in fact, it has yet to be fine tuned. An example of a "worked" stock 12r of Ace Performance was running 195-196mph in the 9/10th's without a fine tune.

#2. Although with a 40 shot, you may dip into the low 190's... and perhaps mid-high 190's with a 60 shot (if it doesn't blow)... I still don't think it's anywhere near a "fair" challenge. If he wins, it's not big deal since all he did was mop up some scrub that couldn't even win with nitrous but if he loses, then he looks like a scrub for losing to a beginner, despite the outrageous advantage.

#3. If you want to race Dale on his own bike N/A vs N/A or Spray vs Spray, I'm sure he'll accept a "gentlemans race", he's never turned me down for a race... I don't think he'll back down from you either. As for this "I need a 40-60rwhp advantage to race" crap... you need to take that garbage somewhere else. If you want a good race, that's one thing... but it sounds like you're looking to set-up a handicap race so that you can make a name for yourself against Sal.

#4. Again, if you want to run another 12r.... Run your Nitrous 12R against my 12r N/A. Yes, I'll be riding, not Sal. 8) Hell, you'll still have the RWHP advantage! What do you say? Sounds a little more "even" than the race you proposed against Sal, don't ya think?

If you guys felt that way, then perhaps you shouldn't have stated how it was going to be "free money". Get what I'm saying?

I fully believe that Dale's bike will run mid 190's with Sal onboard. And you know that is about the most I could hope to achieve with a dry shot. That is a "good" race IMO. Hell, Ali runs 202 with a lighter bike, more experience, and he weighs 120 lbs!

I'm not trying to "make a name for myself", because, quite frankly, what others think of me is not a motivating factor. A close race and competition that I can work hard at and achieve a goal means a lot more to me.

As far as Dale's bike goes, it is my belief that the bike has been massaged. Otherwise, he showed up to Maxton geared for 181-183 mph, after telling me he had already seen 186 at the 9/10th's. Sounds like an extended ecu to me...and some work comes with that.

As far as your bike goes...it will most likely run 205-210 mph on motor, with Sal aboard. Now that would be a dumb bet for me. With you on it, I bet it still will see 200+ mph on motor. Both numbers are outside of what I can expect, at my size and limited experience, on a dry shot.

Yeah, that is pretty unfair...Sal on a prepped bike that can run mid 190's, vs. me on a bike that has only run 181 gps. Me, with 10-15 runs under my belt...vs, Sal with close to 6000. Oh, and yes, I will will running a dry shot of nitrous.

I can see where this is just too much race for you guys...WTF? Tell me where I have the "outrageous advantage"???

At any rate, best of luck to all of you at Maxton, and I'll see you there!

You guys coulda hit me up on the cell you know....I've got popcorn here and everything!

Looks like there won't be a run. I think Dale's bike w/Sal on it TUNED and Shane spraying his own bike would be close...its just that the amount of runs Shane would get would put the "odds" a bit more in his favor.

I think anything involving the supertuned 1290 (regardless of rider) would be quite a bit for Shane to handle, he knows it. Its no garden variety 1290....Phantom's thrown the book at it :)

I say fack it, save the loot and go out there and have fun.

On a side note, I think I'm going to go a wee bit faster than Phantom is....but, in A.P. style....my lips are sealed till Maxton.... :wink:

Both you guys know the jist of what I'll be running anyway, but a secret mod or 2 good for maybe 1-2 mph may be in store....unless of course my foot slips off the footpeg at 190 negating it :roll:

NO DRINKING FOR ME THIS TIME AROUND!

A.

Show me the money, and it's on. Otherwise, well, STFU.

Yeah....all 7 extra Maxton runs that I get...vs. unlimited runs for 2 months at the 9/10ths.

I think I smell the scent of pussy...and it's not coming from me. :twisted:

Wow, last time I checked... Sal helped you and your girlfriend go faster at Maxton. Now you repay him by challenging him to a handicap race grossly in your favor and to top it all off.... you "smell the scent of pussy"?


Dude, I'm sure Sal appreciates it all. :roll:




btw: Weither or not it would be a close race with you and Sal, you've still got a giant advantage in horsepower and will have all weekend vs his 1 run. Close race or not, it's a situation where it's LOSE/LOSE for Sal and WIN/WIN for you since even getting close to beating Sal makes you look good and him bad, regardless the handicap.

Get it now?

It's not the smell of Pussy you are detecting, it's the smell of intelligence. I can understand how someone unfamiliar to it like yourself, could not accurately distinguish it.



P.S. - I'm sure Sal would like to say a few things, but unfortunately his DSL modem took a crap and his internet is down.

Well, I'll put it this way:

The further you go back in this thread, and those related to it, the more you can see that I have had nothing but respect for Sal and his abilities. I greatly appreciate all of his help, and acknowledge his skills. Racheal and I both appreciate all of his advice, and I have expressed this to Sal personally. In fact, I had asked Sal if he would sign her birthday card...that is how highly we both regard Sal.

By the same token, you consistently dog me and tell what a scrub I am, and that I have no right to even challenge Sal.

Furthermore, it was posted up here that basically this race would have been a joke, and that I had no chance. Well, when I agreed to the race, suddenly it wasn't a joke anymore.

I don't like the way that you implied that I am trying to make a name for myself by beating Sal. That couldn't be further from the truth. Or that I am challenging him to a grossly handicapped race...that is not true either.

So, I fully understand now. It could be a close race, and you guys don't want to risk losing face to a beginner who may get a "lucky" run. That is reasonable. But there is no need to claim that I tried to set up an unfair race in order to beat Sal.

And Phantom, I met you in person dude, and you seemed like a decent guy. But online, all you give me is complete disrespect. You come in and stir shit up, make accusations, and then pretend others are out of line with their inflammatory comments.

So, to end this thread:

1) Obviously no race will take place.

2) I'm going to forget about the trash talk in this thread, because it has served no purpose, and I am not going to take it personal. For some reason we can all get along in person, but things get ugly online.

3) A personal apology to Sal if he has been offended, because I was trying to stir shit with Phantom, not Sal. This seems like an old theme.

4) And finally, as stated before, best of luck to all of you at Maxton.

Damn I have been working too much! Somebody tell me what happens. Maybe a video too, come on! I just want to know whos running what, is this the month where phantoms bike is ready too? The suspense is killing me now.
Best of luck to everyone! I hope shane breaks the 190+ mark. I also hope phantom has the fastest NA 12 out there, hes been planning it long enough now.
I havent talked to Ali in a while either, No drinking at this race, not even in off time, you know what I mean! So does Phantom.HAHAHAHAHHA

Shane- Dude, the backpeddling is amazing. I'm not even going to bother with you anymore.


Dr.Ryan - Yes, the bike is all done and broken-in. Just fine tuning now. I can't give out any numbers right now... but let's just say it pulls harder than it did with the stock engine + 40 shot.

the question is....will Phantom still go faster on his bike n/a vs me on spray?



I'm interested in running the 9/10 this winter and seeing us both spray. I'd like to see the RATE at which he pulls....that is IF he pulls away

One can never be too sure how things end up! :twisted:

Ryan, can't you just disconnect the speedo for a top end run? That what "beavers" silver 1427 2004 model did to go 200+. Just wondering since they are both 32 bit ecus....error codes be damned.

A.

Ali, I conceed... at this point, I don't think I'll be able to beat you N/A vs Spray with the number of modifications you've done to your bike since the challenge was made. With a larger shot of nitrous, wheels, bearings, tank, etc.... I know it's going to take some nitrous to stay ahead of you now.

I'm still 100% up for the original agreement..

Run #1 - Spray vs Spray

Run #2 - N/A vs N/A

Run #3 - N/A vs Spray (only if I beat you in run 1 & 2)


Who knows, maybe I'll win all 3 runs, maybe I'll lose all 3 runs.... either way, it should be fun. I know from being witness in the past, Ali is a graceful loser. jk

:x

Isn't it though.....

Little different....


I'm still willing to race N/A vs Spray.... I just don't see the point if Shiphteey wins Spray vs Spray.

Also, I'm not backing out... just saying with the new mods, I probably can't win with him spraying a bigger shot on top of all the other mods he's done since. I've already conceeded defeat, that's not backpeddling... that's coming to grips with the reality of the NEW situation.

If it was just a stock engine 12 with a pipe and 40 shot... I'd be all over that... but not with the CF wheels, Ceramic bearings, cut-tank, and a 50-60 shot. I've got a strong bike N/A... but not strong enough to beat a superlight aero modified 12 with a 120lb rider on a 220-230rwhp nitrous engine. At least not with my weight... Maybe Sal could pull off a win?

Um...... no disrespect..... but Dales bike is slowwww!!!! sorry dale :oops:

Dude, believe it or not, Dale was running mid 180's in the 9/10th's. Not too shabby for a 250+ lb guy, eh?

Of course, I guess everything is slow compared to your crazy-quick 235rwhp TURBO GSXR1000!! lol

Thanks again for letting me ride it the other day, it was definately a pleasure to ride something THAT quick through the gears. I got back on my bike and it didn't seem quick to me anymore. :x

One thing is for sure, BOOST IS ADDICTIVE! Geez, I thought nitrous was fun.... not anymore. :oops:

Last Maxton I had Dales bike ready to go but Dale did a few of this own mods and slowed it down by 10 + mph !!!!!!
Well I finally got to check out Dales bike and found the problem.
It is where it should be now.
If the race is still on I am ready if not no problem. :)
Either way we are going to have some fun.

I don't have the n20 on my bike yet. But I am willing to run for $ at Maxton in October. Or maybe the 9/10th's later this year (my preference)...

Slow guys like me need to "aim high"....

I'll run Dale for "lunch" on my stock motor (next weekend) , if he is interested....seems fair enough, IMO.

Shane Here is the qoute that I dont like !

Slow guys like me need to "aim high"....

That makes me think you are going big as in 100 +H.P. shot !! :idea:
If thats the case I cant take a bet like that.
Unless I am on the Busa stroker bike :D

Haha, 100 shot?!? :shock: No WAY Sal! He's talking about "aiming high" by running you, someone he's sure has more skill than him. He doesn't even have nos on the bike! Shane's bringin his 12 by late this week or earlier next week, we're doing our shifters for Maxton, but no nos on that bike yet....and knowing Shane, 100 shot after running n/a.....

well.....honestly who the F)(*& does that!?!? :shock:

No way you can bring Dale's bike down on Oct? Shane may consider putting spray on his bike then.

A.

We will bring it in Oct. also :D

This should be an interesting Maxton event for ZX-12's. Phantom's 1287, Dale running his bike at full power, Ali shooting for XXX mph, and me going over 150 or so for the first time since March!

And don't forget, there is a cheeseburger and fries on the line with Dale and I...time to step up my game! :D

This:



Versus this:



Dare I say...I think I might be the underdog (hell, when am I not the underdog? ). Dale is a 9/10th's racer, and I am pretty certain his bike makes more hp than mine.

But that cheeseburger is calling....

Dale does not go to the 9/10'th's often as a matter of fact
alot of use have not been going :(
Dale is 250 lbs and his bike has stock wheels all chromed same on his swing arm.
You and Dale should be a good race.
He needs to lighten that bike and himself up !
He will be in for the cheeseburger bet, the thing is wich ever one of you win or lose I would bet money both of you will be chowing on cheeseburgers and fries with a large soda to wash it down. :D

shiphteey
Dont think I dont see you there you can run but you cant hide
That little 998cc ZX10 is going to be looking for (you @ 120 lbs) and your big 235 h.p. zx12 with all that tourqe.
A little nos ZX10 picking on a Big nitrous ZX12 ???
How are you going to look yourself in the mirror ? :shock: :shock:

Hey Sal, you keep fuggin' with Ali and he's going to blow up his bike with an 80 shot trying to beat the 10R at Maxton! You know he's crazy like that!!!!


Ali, don't worry about the 10R, it's beyond your reach now that it's on spray too. Just concern yourself with the ZX-13R N.A. w/ Sal on it. We're shooting for 205-207mph and a tick over 210mph on the juice.

Almost spit out my coffee! :D

I'm hoping the air shifter will make a difference both in consistency and an a lil MPH. When I feel the time is right I will go double bottle and spray starting in 2nd to see what it do!

Didn't get a chance to cut down the tank....the money went straight into fixing my footpeg bracket/frame weld :x

Ah well....good times fellas...can't wait!

A.