Just getting a few parts together for my daily rider, the 251 whp nitrous was nice for bread and milk runs, but i found the bread was nearlly stale by the time I got back home lol

Hope this stuff helps me get to the store and back home quicker, a nice streetable 450 whp would be nice... Il be posting pics of full install and do and donts as I make choices lol

Would have loved an air to air but you carnt really fit a decent intercooler which could cool 400 + whp on a motorcycle effeicently, I chose to go with the Perrin progressive water/alcahol injection, nice and compact and I winsheild washer fluid is easy to get at every gas station in Canada lol

btw anyone wanting any kind of piston do not even think of going anywhere else other then JE and talking to John, he is the nicest guy you could talk to and will custom design any piston you want to suit your bike, and the price for custom pistons is amazingly cheap, I carnt say enough about JE.

Chad

Sorry bout the pics takin down, due to problem at my home garage I know longer will be posting pics, il post a bunch once bike is complete

Nice table o' parts..

Chad, glad to see the pistons arrived!
Can hardly wait for the summer and to see that machine tear up the streets of Edmonton :D I'll try too keep up best I can

Do you still have your 12? I know you just bought a beautiful new Daytona 675 :) Those things feel like a dirt bike, vey flickable! And with 110whp out of the box they really boogy up!

Yah man got the pistons, got the frame ready for welding, just gotta find the time to build the damn thing, its nice to actually build a turbo bike thats not for a customer and for myself lol

The Zx14 is growing on me especially the black, it kinda hides the forman grills. I think il build this one, ride it for a bit then jump on the 14 wagon.

Chad

So exactly how much rwhp does the can of budweiser give you?

Well if I mix the water / budwesier injection to 50/50 mix I can normally turn the boost up about another 10 psi and still wont run into detonation, so I would guess about 150 extra hp. But thats the Canadian stuff, not that low % U.S stuff you guys call beer lol

Chad

Oh shit, let's not turn this into a Can vs US beer debate.... you may never have the time to finish the turbo!

hahahahahaha! Ok no more about the beer lets get ready for riding season! Especially me my ride is in a million peices, i gotta get my act together here!

Have a good one!

Chad

I feel your pain!

my ride has been out of commission for a long long time. Tore the engine out to do a simple cam degree, head porting, valve job, and compression boost...

Then as time passed, I decided I wanted to go bigger.. so I went with the 3mm piston kit 1287cc....

Then time passed and decided I may as well have the tranny fully done up...

Then time passed and decided to have the crank done.....

More time passed... decided to go with bigger cams...

more time passed.... etc etc etc...

$9,000 later.... here I am a week or so away from tasting the fruit of my labors.

This mod bug is killing my bank account...

At least you have winter time.... here in South Florida, I've got to watch dozens of bikes ride around all year long while I wait. :x

Yah I dont know if I could do this work to my bike if I didnt have a winter break, I hate to see it in peices even if I carnt ride it, I get the feeling like it will never get back together! Im actually an Aussie so im not use to riding only 6 months out of the year, worst temp I had seem before here was about 10c (prolly about 50f your temps I guess?)

Yah I know what ya mean about the.... Il just do this, then ll just do one more thing, next thing ya know, there is nuthing left to do, youve been through the whole bike lol

Make sure ya keep in touch and let us know how the new rebuilt bike feels once ya get it on the road!

Chad

Hey chad... when you get that bike done I wana see it here in TO. I think at WOT and with 55 fuel stops you could be here in 26 hours.

Canadian Beer kicks ass


....fucken eh!

Yes, but you have FLORIDA! :D I was there last August, I may be returning this August if my better half has her way. I'll have to put my foot down if it is conflicting with any track days

Yeah, South Florida.... with it's non-existant winter. I think the coldest it's been all year was like 68*F... and only for a week, then right back up to the high 70's- mid 80's!

I got a tan on Christmas. 8)

Chad, what would it take to get you and that turbo 12 down to North Carolina to run the Maxton Mile??!?!?!

:twisted:

Free plane tickets and shipping on the bike? hahaha I carnt afford to go there champ, i spent all my damn money and then some on this project hahahaha!

Also I have no idea if I would have enough water/alcahol onboard to run the mile at WOT, maybe turn the boost down some but still be able to hit the 200mph or a little more if im lucky.

I gotta pull my finger out and get moving on this project, I feel lazy after I get home, work on bikes all day, takes the fun out of your own projects
:(

If I winn the Lotto il cruise this bike around Canada and U.S and meet all you guys, Have a BBQ, drink some and tell some lies hahaha

Chad

How's the project coming Chad? Have you started welding on the frame yet?

Not yet, but its been all cut up with the plasma, il get some pics. I should be welding it within the next few days.

Just doing alot of wiring and planing for the water/alchahol injection, I got about 2 - 3 months to get this thing up and running, i aint sitting on the sideline when summer is here.

btw you can pick up your spare frame at the shop, it was close to being the "test" frame lol, had the goggles on with the plasma fired up and looked across the room at it, but said hell with it, no practice needed here nuthing a good weld couldnt fix anyway hahaha

Chad

Status? I was up in Edmonton a couple of years ago and stopped by a Kawasaki dealer in the NW portion of the city...they were talking about turbo ZX12Rs and such. Is that who you are working with? Just curious.

Chad works at Echo Cycles. They are a distributor of Cold Fusion, which happens to be in the same city as me (Houston). I'd prefer to continue to get my stuff shipped from Echo rather than direct from CF. Better prices and better service.

...and they are a kawa dealer.

Status: :cry:

6 days a week wrenching on customers snowmobiles is not helping my project at all, im so pissed off by the time I get home I dont want to do anything hahaha! (can you tell I dont like snowmobiles?) lol

But I have to get serious, I think im gunna take stuff into the shop so I can work on bits and peices before work , at lunch and after work coz summer is sneaking up fast. This thing will be running by April so I gotta get to it.

And thanx for the shoutout Wideout, im glad you are happy with the prices and service. I wish we could do more online selling and advertising but during peak season our staff is stretched to the max.

I hope the snow stops! That should slow those damn sleds somewhat!!!! :twisted:

When you get that monster done, you should come the the NW Rally, it would be worth the trip and we would all get to see your work up close! 8)

Adjustable sprockets are on the cams, all parts are fully cleaned ready for assembly, mic'd up the crank and rods and got the bearings, plstigauged and all is perfect, JE pistons where right on the money with there machining, there is not even the SLIGHTEST ridge on the tops of the cylinders and this is an engine that has done around 20,000 km and alot of that with a 90hp single stage nitrous kit, Kawasaki engines sure are built nice. Frame is completly welded, well except for the hole that goes from the airbox to the steering head, down 3 inches so that the tig carnt get in there....... I think im gunna try and tap the hole and jam a plug in it, cant get my arm in the frame anymore the plates I have welded on are to small, might have to get one of the girls from up front to get there arm in there and tap it for me lol

..... hmm what else has been done..... ahh yes fitted all the new valve springs and threw on some new vale stem seals while I was in there....

I got pictures of everything its just there at work on another pc, il post them probably on Monday.

it was 8c here today snow is melting like crazy, that makes me move a little faster lol

Im gunna assemble the engine here in the next few days, I got lots of pics il flood them in soon, even some video of the plasma cutting into a beutiful 05 12r frame (warning may make the weak hearted cringe lol)

bit by bit its slowly coming together

Chad

I was in the city today and thought about driving over and knocking on Echo's back door to see if I could take a peek at the progress!

Hey no worries your welcome anytime :) I think I might even go in today and grab some tools, il grab the pics while I am there.

Chad

How much boost/hp are you planning to run?

around 27 - 30 psi should get me around the 450 whp mark, probably around 280 - 300 whp for everyday riding im guessing this will be around 14 psi or so

*UPDATE* on slow progress

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Looks awesome. You're upgrading the transmission, right?

A full billet clutch setup and robinson first gear, and a undercut on the dogs, the 12's dont have any problem with the shafts.

I would call R&D trans and talk to Mark about the shafts, the shift drum, and the circlip mod. Also, at 30 psi you might want to weld those ram air cover/tank cover holes shut.

This is just a street bike, it aint going to load the transmission like the drag strip, it will just wheelie or spin. I will give them a call though, they are probably just machining the groove depper with a bigger clip. Dont know what they would be doing to the drum though? Il give em a call

Im not welding thos shut just yet, I have alum plugs for them with threaded hole for the tank cover

Slick!

I appreciate the info on the trans, im gunna call them and ask what they are doing exactly, I want this job done once, this is my transport for the summer time

They will machine and use deeper circlips, and machine the shift drum. Also, the shift shafts they suggest are better. I believe they will flex (instead of break) under power, and return to their original dimensions.

on the trans....Chad....call em up and ask them yourself...mine is down there getting worked on as we speak...hopefully will ship back to me in 10 more days!

A.

Yah il give em a call for sure, il prolly just buy the cir clips and measure em up and machine the shafts myself. Im just a little boggled as to why the shift shaft would be under load with a higher hp engine, the shift forks just simply slide along them and move the trans across into gear, there should never be any force on the shift shaft or shift forks unless you are banging gears without unlaoding the transmission first, even then im sure you would just bend a fork and not break a shift shaft, the only way i could see you killing a shift shaft or fork is by having an air shifter and not having the kill set long enough. same goes for the shift drum, i really dont see how hp levels should effect cir clips and shift drum and shift shafts when they are NEVER under any load.

May I ask what they are charging you Ali? and what work you are getting done?

Hey Chad,

Do you still want to keep my spare 12 frame at your shop, or do you want me to come and get it out of your way?

Chad, I'll give you the run down this week when I get the exact total and worksheet from them. 8)

Yah you can come pick it up anytime, im all done with the proto type hahaha i didnt cut it up to bad lol

Chad

Anyone have a "running" 04 - 05 12R that can help me out? lol

The guys building my fuel/ignition managment computer need a couple of small readings.....

While the bike is idling, I need to know the AC volts from both the crank and cam sensors lol easy right?

To do so.... take your negitive lead from your DVM and connect to the bike chassy, and then check both the + and - sides of each of the sensors, i know it a big favor to ask but it should be a quick one if someone has there fairings off lol

Anyone have there fairings off? and are able to run there bike quick and do a quick couple of readings?

I dont know is earlier models will be the same thats why I have asked for the 04-05 models as I know they are the same.

Chad

any new stuff for us? hows the build?

Yah I aint got far though, got the bottom end together, well crank, rods and pistons on and transmision in, case half bolted together and stud kit in. Im going in early tommorow morning to slide cylinder on and dial in the cams. I hope to have the frame bolted to the engine and swingarm and front end back on by the weekend, well fingers crossed if i get some spare time.

Everytime i see a set of Carrillos and JE's they just look way to nice to put them into an engine lol

I know its a slow project, im just trying to fit it between customer work and home stuff.... you know beer and stuff lol

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Did you try PMing Dr.RyanScarsella on the board?

He has an 05....aren't the 05s different than the 02-04 (ECU-wise?)

A.

looks awesome :D

No I didnt, I might give him a pm.

I think the 04 - 05 are different in that they use secondary tb's for "smoother" riding lol give me a break, I want viliont power and lots of it! The more unridable it is the better lol.

I got the cylinder on today and head on and all torqued down, didnt make it to the cams, I dont got any pics as yet Il have to get them from the camera, il post em as soon as I get em, its actually starting to look like an engine again

Chad

What are the specs on that turbo?

Its a GT2871R ball bearing, 56 trim, .60 on the cold and .86 on the hot.

Here is the garrett web page, hp range is 280 - 475 crank hp, nice streetable turbo

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...R_743347_2.htm

awesome, thx. I was told a gt28 would be a good choice for the 12, Im planning on doing something very similar next yr and Im trying to get as much info as possible :D

Be sure to check what part of the GT28 family it is when buying coz the 28 selection is quite large and compressor maps can vary alot, IMO this exact turbo is good for a minimal 220 or so hp at the wheel and not run the compressor into the surge area and good all the way to 460+ for short bursts of power like drag racing.

We are just down the road from you too so if you need any alum welding or plasma work on the frame if you dont have access to the tools I could work you a good deal :)

Chad

Im not sure that I will need something as big as you. I dont want to go over the limit of the con rods/crank ect and have to get the aftermarket stuff like you. if I just get the low comp pistons (maybe valve springs? billet second gear, lock up clutch) and want to stay on pump gas, how much power/boost can I use?
haha just down the road just 3080 miles according to mapquest

Where the hell did all the pics go? My photobucket album is gone? Is it only free for a month or so? lol

KzScott: Depending on what compression you go with, and wether or not you use an intercooler or water/alcahol injection, you could get anywhere from 230 - 350 on pump gas.

Water/alcahol injection keeps combustion charge alot cooler keeping detonation away and allows you to pull timing back into the engine and not run the engine as rich since you dont need all that extra fuel (11.5 - 12.5) to keep the charge cool. Plus octane is raised which also allows more boost to be run. It takes a massive amount of BTU to change the water to steam in the cobustion process, not tomention it kools intake manifold and intake and exhaust valves and keep EGT;s lower.

You dont need top of the line progressive stuff, you can get some cheap good street water/alky kits for around $200 +-

photobucket must have just had an error, its not a 1 month thing, ive had mine for several
thx for the turbo info, its very interesting, I plan on using the same pistons as you. an intercooler sounds like the way to go, I really dont want to have to fill up a water/alc tank all the time....unless it doesnt take much? the problem with the cooler is theres not much room for it is there? wouldnt you need to rake the frame a bit to mount one in front of the rad? I think im going to try and shoot for the 300 hp range if i can

Finally got the cams done today... cut another large hole out of the top of the frame so I can weld that hole the joins the steering stem to the frame....

Im gunna slap the valve cover, tb's, oil pump, etc etc on and in tommorow so engine will be ready to bolt into the frame...

Im gunna go out on a limb and say by mid next week this thing will be a rolling bike again with engine in.....

Il get some pics along the way.

KzScott: You will use roughly 10 - 15% water/alc of the fuel input. Plus you dont use it everytime you boost, just when you hit a preset boost level. So under normal low boost operation it wont come on, tap the horn button electronic boost control changes boost level and water/alc kicks in.

Not only is there not enough room for an intercooler, you cant fit a intercooler in that can "effeciently" cool 300+ hp.

Hey man we live in Canada, that blue winshield washer fluid is cheap and you can fill your water/alc tank as you gas up on fuel too.

Chad

Very good info Chad keep it coming! :D :D :D you ARE the man. I thought I had read somewhere that the washer fliud could be used, thx for veryfying :D who would have thought that you could make extra power with a window cleaning product :twisted: so instead of a nitrous tank in the tail i would have a winshield washer fluid tank. the ultimate thing to baffle a rich newb on a nitrous busa!!!!! :twisted: (no thats not c16 for a wet kit, here ill show you....proceed to fill up with washer fluid and blow his mind!!)
so what would you reccommend for a basic, cost effective electronic boost/water/acl controller?
ok, so with the same pistons as you, valve springs, similar turbo, and water/alc injection on pump gas, how much boost/power could I expect to use/get withOUT the water/alc injection, and with the water/alc injection?
thx!!

hey i am new to going this in depth on a bike my experience is mostly with auto engines but i was wondering were those Mig or Tig welds around the airbox area? Whatever type the info would be greatly appreciated.

If i was doing a big power low budjet boost setup, i would run a single electronic solenoid to swap from normal wastegated boost level to your goal hp boost level and there about $100.00, maybe you can find em cheaper on ebay?

And for water and alcahol injection, i would run an air tight alum tank in the trunk, with a line from your intake plenum to the top of the tank, and from the bottom of the tank run that line to the front of the turbo inbetween air filter ande turbo (non pressure side) as the bike builds boost it pushes the liquid into the front of the turbo. Very Very cheap to do, works pretty damn good, only fall back is after LONG periods of constant use, you may see slight compresser wheel errosion, but i mean over a LONG period of time, just use a fine misting jet at the end of the lien to help atomize the liquid so big droplets dont hit the compressor wheel. Also use a check valve in the line to turbo so it wont continue to flow once you come off boost

It was a TIG that welded the frame.

Chad

Chad, saw this on bikeland....gt35....seems excessive but

http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewth...1160&set_time=

from my limited turbo knowledge, thats going to lag because of the size and scream up top:?

I wonder what he has done internally.... be nice is he put up some more specs...

dont let the GT35R fool you, some of the 35 family is smaller then the 25 family. My 28 uses the same or larger compressor then some of the 35 family. Just has a smaller exhaust housing for fast spooling for the street.
Without knowing trim and a/r sizes you honestly have no way of telling how large a turbo is (within reason).

Anyway nothing a little spray wouldnt help spool up lol

Chad

p.s incase no one has been back to the first page, thats where i post all new pics, bike is almost rolling, wheels tommorow, into shop Sunday for final rolling touches, then turbo manifold and fuel injection time!