CHAD, GET A HELMET CAM OR A "PACE BIKE" (LIKE WARP12 ) and lets see the comparative difference already!!!

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Dont worry Ali, there will be some videos similiar to ghost rider I can assure you.... although it wont be me in the videos... ok? Coz I try to follow the road rules when im riding :)


and who is Warp12? Turbo 12R??? Show me vids please, I have yet to see a turbo 12 video..


Chad

Warp12 or Shane661. not turbo'd, but has a damn fast bike. just another one of those crazy drag racers/ LSR guys 8)
follow the rules of the road? haha what was that you were saying there about your bike only being able to wheelie to 250 something km/h on nitrous? :shock: not that you yourself did it or anything, or plan on going to 300 on 1 wheel with the new turbo :shock: :shock: :shock: :twisted:

Hey Chad, found some info on water/alc injection while i was looking on the megasquirt site. I thought you and the rest of the gang might find it interesting:

To set-up a water injection system, you can use a fluid tank, small pump (windshield washer pumps work well), and a Hobbs switch to inject fluid into the inlet tract. This switch closes at a specific pressure, and is installed in the intake manifold. One Hobbs switch is NAPA part# 7011577. This corresponds to a Hobbs part number #76052. It is a normally open 2 terminal switch, factory set to 15 psi. However it is adjustable from 14 psi to 24 psi. Both lower and higher pressure ranges are available from Hobbs 5000 series pressure switches.



An alternative is the Summit Racing “Oil Pressure Safety Switch”. It is made of steel and finished with zinc plating, for just $13. It opens at 7 psi (non-adjustable). Instead of being plumbed to the oil system, you can screw it into the manifold and use boost pressure to turn it on/off. Similar switches are available from Holley (PN 12-810, $20), and Mr. Gasket (MRG-7872, $13).

You need to install a restrictor (~0.030" to 0.050", 0.8 to 1.3 mm) in the line from the pump to the manifold. However, if you have an electrical problem that causes the injection system to stay in the open position while the engine is not running, you can have a "hydraulic lock" which can seriously damage your engine.

Alternatively, you can use a sealed fluid container, pressurized by boost pressure, to inject the fluid. The container must be capable of withstanding the boost your engine will produce. You have one boost line from the intake manifold to the top if the container to supply boost, and a fluid line from the bottom of the container to the compressor inlet to inject fluid. The boost line needs to have a one-way check valve installed so the engine vacuum is not applied to the container. Again, a restrictor is necessary, and it is usually placed on a third “vent” line.

In this case, larger restrictors mean less fluid is injected. This design has the advantage of no moving parts to fail, however it has the disadvantage of injecting the fluid before the intercooler, where there is a possibility it could condense on the inside, rather than flow smoothly to the manifold.

Has anyone figured out yet where or how we could fit an intercooler on the 12. I know Chad is looking for big numbers, hence the alcohol and water injection to curb detonation at high Boost. I want a turbo set up making about 320 ish hp but dont want water injection. I want a slightly simpler street set up. Maybe winter time, maybe not. If we could figure a way to mount an intercooler, it would be so nice. Just have to keep the bends in the inake tubes not too sharp because you lose boost/airflow with the bends, for example 90 deg bend loses 25% if I recall from the formula 1 research. I still want to see more pics of the set up. Chad what has been your biggest challenge at this point with your project.

Chad had stated that there just wasnt room for one big enough to be efficient. I have seen turbo buglys with a big cooler, not sure how well they worked, but they were raked to squeeze it in in front of the rad:shock:

I have seen a couple of 12's with intercoolers in front of the rad, but they look kind of small......... if I had more time and "patience" lol, I would take the stock rad away and fit a good size intercooler and make a (or 2) custom rads and put them somewhere else on the bike, or I guess rake the front.... but forget about corners after that.

Good water alc info Scott, good reading for people, Im using the hobbs switch listed in your read up to turn the water/alc on, and horn button to flip from low boost to high boost. Very simple electronics that work very well.

Biggest challange so far? Time! lol There is no real challenge if you have time, everything is pretty easy, just hours upon hours of cutting, welding and making little brackets and stupid little stuff that just takes a long time. If you have access to some good tools, you can do anything you want. Just take your time and do lots of research, read read read, and be open to ideas from others and dont be stubborn if there idea is better then yours, thank them and use there idea if you beleive its better then what you had planned.

What other pics would you like to see Dr Ryan? Also, you said its a 25% loss with a 90 degree bend? That seems awefully high, and what exactly is lost? I cant see pressure being lost, do they mean increase in heat? I have no idea of atcual losses when it comes to plumbing, but 25% seems a little high for a bend, maybe 2.5%? Anyway no biggie, but id deffenatly like to know what kind of losses you loose through plumbing, would be a good read if someone can find some info...

Chad

....25% seems pretty high, especially considering the bends are all mandrel (same diameter throughout the bend).

Good work Skinart! Just ordered a valve from Cold Fusion here in the states....apparently I shouldn't be overtightening the bottles so much :oops: I guess I really need to stop going to the gym now huh?

Which way to the GYM Ali? lol, Yes it dosent take much to stop the nitrous from coming out of the bottle, just a nice soft twist on the valve will be fine, if you get forarm pump when closing the bottle you may be over tightning them lol

I actually rode the 07 Zx10R and Zx14R the last couple of days, and I could have swore the 14R felt faster for sure, but I had a bud ride the 14R and I took the 10 and to my surprise the 10 is faster. We both rolled on from around 60mph and made sure we both rolled off and hit upper rpm side by side, and sure enough the 10 pulled ever so slightly in front of the 14 and we both took it up to around 170 or so. There was nothing in it really, but Im 230lbs and he is 220 so the 10 I deffenatly think would hve en edge over the 14. Im sure the 14 would probably win from a stand stil, but not a roll on. It really showed me how power to weight plays a massive factor in motorcycles, way more then I had thought.

Chad

"Chad makes a mental note to make sure the 12 can take a couple more psi than originally planned....."
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HAHAHAHA you read my mind!

The turbo manifold should be finished here right away, then I run the oil lines to it, run the bike to get some quick voltage checks on cam and crank sensors, then have the Ignition/Fuel controller buttoned up..... its getting closer.

Chad

you must be working your ass of to finish it now, its riding season! :shock:

I'm thinking of doing the same thing this winter with y 12. However I wanted to do as little cutting and welding to the frame as possible. I was wanting to build an intake plenum that would fit in the airbox. Perhaps only cutting the inspection plates on top and putting in bigger ones that will alow access to the plenum.
What are doing to fueling? Some have said the stock fuel system will work with power commander. I am only doing low boost buy the way. Some say the stock fuel system but with a FMU installed. What do you think? DO you have any pics?

status? :?:

For right now I am going to have to pass on that project. I am going to start restoring a 73 Z1 that was given to me and resale. Take that profit and build the Z1R I have. I'm going to turbo charge and fuel inject with a single throttle body. What do you think?

i think i would use 83-84 gpz1100 throttle bodies and program it with megasquirt instead of using a single TB :wink:
Chad, any updates on yr turbo 12?

Why do you say that? I thought it would be challenging to use a single TB. But if its not possible or is poor on performance I will scratch the idea.

haha official thread hijack
oh its definatly possible to just use 1 TB, but why reinvent the wheel? the 750 turbo or gpz1100 TBs would work great (proven fact) the gpz1100 TBs are a common upgrade for the 750 turbo. with the "j" intake boots, they will bolt right up to the Z1 or actually any KZ ranging from 650, 750, 900, 1000, 1100. theres tons of info for this sort of thing, and lots of aftermarket (based on the 750 turbo stuff). are you familiar with 750turbo.com? cyclemadness? msefi?

So when are you coming down to Maxton Chad? I got something for ya...and it ain't a 40 shot ... or 60 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I'm a member to all the above sites. I thought 1 TB would be challenging. But I do have a set of GPZ TB and a couple of sets of carbs just in case I run out of hair to pull when setting up this drives me crazy.

he needs to finish the bike first!!!
when was the last update? :(
what are ya hiding in there Ali? 100 shot on nitrous pistons? :shock: :twisted:

I can neither confirm nor deny the allegations at this time

But I will be hunting down...well...everything quite frankly. :twisted:

A.

lol you guys kill me ....

sorry aint been around for a while been busy at the shop, turbo 2 stroke snowmobiles seem to be the go for this season atleast i have a nuce tan from tigging all day lol i love the custom stuff its the best!

anyway... ALI! lol stop being a hold out what do you have? I aint doing the 200+ mpg thing it aint my thing, il play in rolling burn outs, drag racing, drifting or wheelies!!

Hey there Jus, what hp goal do you have in mind? I dont know what the stock fuel system is good for, im guessing you could get 300 or so hp from stock injectors with a 2 - 4:1 FMU (we have the best FMU in stock btw) are you planning n changing internals or just dropping compression? Have you selected a turbo yet? Plenum inside the frame.... good luck, very very tight in there, anything i possible just be prepared to build a fancy plenum that may bolt together once its in place. What timing control are you gunna use? Ask as many questions as ya like, send me your email il send pics of my stuff.

A simple and fairy cheap setup you can use a power commander and there plug in ignition control, but dont hook your TPS wire up to your TPS, buy a universal say 1 bar (if you dont plan on going over 14.7 PSI) MAP sensor and hook your powercommander TPS wire up to that instead, that way your fueling and ignition system will be boost sensitive not throttle.
Its a simple sertup and works very well for low boost aps.

Im using 4 additional shower style injecters in the top of my frame, split second ignition and fuel managment.

cool Chad, let us know when the 12 is done :twisted:
speaking of fuel injection and 2 stroke sleds, i gotta question for ya about my old wildcat, ill msg ya on msn when i get a chance, hopefully you wont be too busy

check out his pics on echo cycle :shock: :twisted:
http://www.echocycle.com/index.php?o...=73&Itemid=129

with that kind of HP i would think its going to need a lock up. something similar to VH's setup on his 300 hp nitrous bike....
(maybe you could do a hydraulic conversion while your at it, supposed to prevent preaking pullers, but i have only seen one and it was a custom piece)

undercut stock gears? get more than just the low first Chad, get the first 4. you will break the "windows" out of the stock gears.

I don't think doing 200+ mpg is even possible. lol

All kidding aside, have you ever competed in an LSR event or done some type of top speed racing/runs? It's pretty addicting, especially if you're in a popular class where you can get some close competition.

I'm not sure where/if you guys do that stuff up there in Canada, but you wouldn't be the only people from Canada to come down regularly to Maxton, North Carolina for the ECTA LSR events.

Theres nothing like that on the east coast of Canada as far as i know, hopefully ill make a trip down to Maxton this season :twisted:

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haha thx! Cam did a great job! I bet you cant wait to get yours! (put a pic in your sig like i did)right now i have it up in my bedroom, 2x5 feet of me looking like a pro 8)

Status?

I disagree with the statement about "Do not even think about anything other than "JE" Pistons!" Yes, it is nice to talk to John Noonan and he does know what he is talking about and JE Pistons are "OK" but not the best in the entire world! I did not have the "BEST" Experience with JE and I use CP Pistons. When I was talking to the engineer at Mahle that make the Pistons for Porsche and a few others they only ones they talked about were CP and Cosworth Pistons. CP which is owned by Weisco who is owned by some other company in Wisconsin were never mentioned. Other than that it looks like you are having a lot of fun and will be for a long time to come!

I read through a few of the posts at the start and skipped righ to the bottom hoping to find completion!

I remember when Spencer Cycle and Doug @ Same turbo'ed a 12.

The ram air/air box and the cost to seal it up enough to make it turboable shot the project through the roof.

I'll be interested to see when (if) you actually get this done. ;-)

if you have your own tig, and some spare time, i dont think it would be a big deal to seal up the frame. im going to do mine in a couple yrs. playing with big bores and nitrous for now....

Where are all the pix of this setup??? I'm dying over here not seeing any pix...

not sure if it was ever finished, he moved out of the country, not sure if the bike went or stayed