Heard talk several times about a NOS kit for 300 bucks?...Is this true and where can i find more info on it...?...Thanks Chris

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Kingzx12r was talking about it.... Said he would post info later.. I think he designed it.... He's got a fast freeking green one.......

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The pics are in the camera as soon as I load them I'll send them to easy to post hopefully tomorow. Yes I designed the kit and it is all NOS stuff so its a good deal, 300 US dollars including the bottle.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">





Can you say woooo hoooooooooooooo.

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Hey King is the pistons in a 12 cast or forged??? I'm kinda worried about the life of my motor also... How much will this shorten it.... What kind of miles have you achieved.......

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Kingzx12r: This may be a good time to explain NOS on an engine. My understanding was that NOS actually helps cool the piston as long as the A/F is not too lean. Is this true?

What are the dangers of running the wrong A/F ratio.

Is there a map modification that is recommended, if so how does it effect the bike when not on NOS.

If there are any other concerns this may be a good thread to address them in.



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Yes NOS will cool the motor a little and the way the kit I designed works there is no need to change anything as long as your bike is working properly. Any 12 can add this on without changeing anything and pick up 50 hp at the wheel, powercommander no problem same thing as long as the bike is working properly all is fine. The only change you would have to make is if you run stock exhaust you will need to remove the catylist material in the stock header. The resistor will be soldered and heat shrunk please no wire twisting and tape crap. I have the pictures in the camera and I'm going to get them put on a disk tomorow so I can send them to easy for display hang tight we're almost there. Also will have installation instructions also. This setup is free I'm not making anything on it just sharing it with the boys and girls if interested. This should drastically change the balance of the so called busa being faster.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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So do we buy the kit from you all ready to go, or do we get a list of what to buy from NOS.



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I may have to change my name to BusaBBQer......I'm ready to see it.....

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I'm trying to pass easy on posts.......

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W/ your color thought you'd be BoogerBBQer!

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the color also stands for go! And everyone know green stands for envy.

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Thanks King...Very excited in learning more about it...Chris

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I think for legal purposes it is better to supply a parts list with instuctions, even though NOS didn't want to do anything unless they had all the info which would likely put me out of the picture. It's better that way no questions about prices everyone can get there own deal or use parts they already have from an existing kit or buddy. Should have it all by the end of the week.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Thanks King!

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300 dollars burning a whole in my pocket right now and impatiently waiting to hear back <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> . My only question is are you going to prepare formal instructions ( as in we would send you $$ and you would send back an instruction booklet with pictures and part numbers ) or is it going to be something posted up here?

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I would definitely be willing to pay for the instructions, you have done the work, you deserve something for it. I would not have even started thinking about NOS without your efforts and potential guidance. If the instructions are simple enough for a monkey to follow then I am in. I am sure I can find a monkey to help me somewhere. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

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I'll post it here likely friday waiting for the disk to come back, don't change the station.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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King: what is the difference between a fogger NOS setup and a progressive NOS setup? N102SR is local to me and he has a fogger setup up that injects the NOS directly into the throttle bodies. I think there were some pre-existing taps that he used.



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Easy...Not sure on bikes but im pretty sure its the same as systems used on cars...Progressive NOS is a system that you can slowly add NOS to..for instance 15hp and slowly increase the amount to 50hp. The idea of this is to not shock bike, car or whatever with a big shot of HP at once, instead gradually add it to keep from spinning the tire or making the vehicle uncontrollable. Hope that helps, im no expert. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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I figured that was the just of it, but I had the impression from an earlier email that the installation was different between the 2 systems. I was wondering how different it would be to the system that N102SR has installed on his 12, which is a fogger setup, but I am thinking more about plumbing and placement of parts etc.

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I believe that both systems will be fogger types, but a progressive system also requires a programer to be installed. I guess its possible..hmmmm MORE BETTER...LOL..

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The fogger system works with two jets one for fuel one for nitrous by changing the jets in different pairs you change the amount of hp. Progressive system is usually a programmable computer that you can set up to pulse the solenoids and control how fast the nitrous comes on. If you have a 100 hp nitrous kit you can set the computer to come on at 10% and then set a time period of lets say 5 seconds so this means when the system is activated the computer pulses the solenoids to start at 10 hp and progress to 100 hp within a 5 second period. Thus it gives you a more useable power curve rather than boom it's a 100 hp instant. A dry system uses only one jet of nitrous only, setting it up on a computer will work the same way as a fogger if it is plumbed into the throttle bodies. Respectively on a dry system that fogs the air box works sort of the same way it takes time for the nitrous to fog the box and reach the throttle bodies thus eliminating the costly computer but works relatively the same way. Hopefully this explains it if not let me know what you're not sure of and I'll try to help you out. It's all good and don't forget to have fun.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Are you using the dry method as well?

Do you fog directly into the throttle bodies or the Airbox?





Thanks for all your help and answers, I appreciate it,



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Yes this is a dry system sprayed directly into the air box waiting for the disk with all the pics.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Wow, the airbox method sounds much easier and faster to install compared to the direct throttle body approach.



What are the advantages of going direct into the throttle bodies, it is much more hassle so people must do it for a reason (I hope <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> )

Another way of asking the same question is a pro/con comparison between spraying into the airbox vs. spraying direct into the throttle bodies.



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The advantage of going into the airbox is it will make the hit much less agressive and more controlable. The throttle body method is used because that is how NOS does there installations, and it is much more difficult to do then the airbox. I guess I like things easy and cheap sorry dude hee hee.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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I like it.

If you are OK with this, let me know where you would recommend purchasing the kits and maybe I can work a group deal for everyone, throwing in advertising on the site would help make that happen.



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I got a babysitter for the kids, and took my wife out for dinner to some new Italian place.

After a few drinks, appetizers, I sprung the news, I said I was thinking of putting NOS on my 12. She asked how much, and I explained it was almost $3 per HP, she couldn't say no. I am in for NOS. Y...e.e.e.e.e.e...sssssss!



All clear for stealth NOS system. Boy is it going to be fun going the local dyno.



King: does a dyno run with NOS require extra cooling or warning for the operators? Or can I just let them pin it and see what happens? he he

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Kingzx12r: a question came up about NOS in the airbox vs. throttle bodies. With the airbox full of NOS is that perhaps more risky during a backfire than direct injection?



If we have PCIIIr's should we back off the timing advance at 90-100% throttle if we have NOS?



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I think someone may be confusing you by thinking of car disasters. On a plenum intake the throttle body is on the inlet of the plenum, if nitrous becomes trapped and you let go of the gas, the throttle body closes and traps all in the plenum possible boom. On a ram air system the trottle bodies are on the outlet, when the throttle bodies close the mix is not accessable and will bleed off the backfire is contained. Even in worse case senario the cast plenum could take it, anything that might (almost no chance) ignite would go out the the ram air tubes harmless but sound cool woosh. I hope this clears you up.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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I'm waiting for my puter guy to get back he went out of town for the weekend pics are still in camera. Early in the week hopefully all will be ready woo hoo bye bye busa's.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Thanks again Kingzx12r, I appreciate all the answers.



What about timing advance, at this time I am using the Muzzy timing advance map in my PCIIIR, it does taper down to 0 or almost 0 at the top end, but should there be any timing adjustments for a NOS setup?



I am looking forward to the pics



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Thanks Kingzx12r.



Big surprise but I have another question.



You will be happy when I get my NOS installed and no longer need to ask questions. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



I don't have specifics on this, but, someone told me that they heard of some Busa's on Labusas that had blown up their engine/airbox? with NOS in the airbox?? I have no details on this, but I was thinking that perhaps you would know more about it. I was thinking that perhaps the Busa's have a different box design or perhaps these people did some weird stuff.



Not much to go on, but I thought I would ask anyways.



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I'm not sure not a busa person, but I know they have a plastic airbox so if it wasn't set up properly then anything is possible on a busa.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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I still havent forgotten and am still waiting patiently with my 300 bucks in hand hehe

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No changes required it will work on the setup you have, I spent alot of time to make it work this way so you don,t have to change anything. My puter guy is gone till sat. damn it will have to wait till early next week now sorry guys be patient with the puter illiterate here hee hee. Later dude.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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I have a dry set up on my ls1 camaro, absolutely the best bang for the buck mod that I have ever done! My question is this in my car I don't spray thru 5th gear, at what gear if any would I have to stop spraying on my 12?



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1) I am assuming that a dry system is just NOS, and a wet system is NOS mixed with fuel??



2) How do you add fuel to the Dry systems?

I was under the impression that NOS was safe for your pistons as long as you don't run it lean.

3) Is it true that if it is a touch rich 12.7-13.0 : 1 ?? that you do not need to worry about melting pistons?



Assuming my previous assumptions are correct about melting pistons.

4) Is the only limit to how much of a NOS charge you deliver the strength of your drive train?

I remember some people cranking 400HP out of a ZX-11 engine a few years back.

5) What do you think a safe maximum progressive NOS charge would be on a ZX-12R? 230HP, 260HP....300HP???



It would be great to progressively work up to 300HP but it would suck big time to blow a rod or crank at 210mph.



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NOS has no effect on engine life as long as you are set up properly same as a big bore kit or turbo kit as long as it is set up properly no problems.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



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1) yes



2) Fuel is added by the air temp sensor in the air box NOS will drop temp and the ecm will add fuel.



3) yes as long as the bike works properly without NOS my kit does the rest.



4) yes usually manufactures design there systems and will make a 60% over stock for durability purposes.



5) my setup is good to 250 hp at the tire to go more you will need to go to a fogger system and upgrade bottom end of motor, safety is always first concern.

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Excellent.



Thanks for the answers. I have just a couple more <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



When you say "as long as the engine is running normally" what issues should be verified? What are the big things to watch out for?

For example, people that bolt a pipe on and then add a PCIIIr may be a little lean in some areas and rich in others, many bikes with aftermarket pipes seem to backfire a bit at times.



As long as people are using the supplied Dynojet maps with some 0,2,5% throttle tweeks for the on/off response, with some minor drivability tweeks do you think we will be OK?



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You can spray as long as you can hold on, I don't spray too close to rev limiter for obvious reasons, I went 200 mph spraying all gears almost to redline at 200 mph no problems. We made about 10 passes all close to 200 mph and never had a hicup at all check out the article on team lawson page. If you go to the find box and type lawson it will come up.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



I have a 87 camero tpi 350 stock motor with superharger using NOS as intercooler full weight 3745 lbs with me in it 11.70s all day 1.60 sixty foot stock rims and all M/T et streets and pump gas. It has surprised more than one person on the street heehee.

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$300 !! I'm in...I think. No one has yet answered the question posed earlier in this thread about the effect the NOS will have on the life of the engine. Does anyone know the answer to this? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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That's ok easy ask away.



What I mean is do you drive your bike every day or any day and worry about breaking something. Does it make funny noises or does it work fine and run properly, backfires are on all bikes at some time or another and has no effect on operation. When your bike backfires it's usually on deceleration and or holding throttle partly open at deceleration, this is common on fuel injected or carb bikes with aftermarket exhaust. So if your bike doesn't sound or do anything that would make you take it in for service it is running properly. Add NOS lose your mind, hang on tight, pray if you think it will help woo hoo you are on your way. Remember with 200 plus hp the things that came up fast on you before, other vehicles and stop signs will be coming faster so leave space to stop for goodness sakes I don't want to read about any mishaps, get used to it first! And be careful out there all the time. Later dude.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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I appreciate the reply! I'm getting all gitty!! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> I remember my first preconceptions about running NOS on my camaro, however 454 rwhp and 572ft/lbs of torque later I'm a sole believer. Looking forward to your kit, woohoo! Here I go again!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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icpfury ???? What else ya need to know it's all there.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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all of the information mentioned above is basic info on nitrous oxide and how it affects an engine. i have NOS on my truck that i hooked up myself and dont really need basic nitrous info <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> . there are 2 major differences between the hook up on my truck and hooking NOS up to my 12. A: my system is a wet system and this one is a dry system. B: there is a LOT more room for mounting relays, solenoids bottle etc etc in a Chevy pickup than there is on a ZX-12 and any tips or tricks about mounting all of this stuff would be awfully helpful. I am also hoping to see where and how you have hooked into the airbox. i was waiting for pictures, install instructions and possibly some part numbers. am i getting greedy?

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Kingzx12r has some pictures coming to me soon. I will post them with descriptions (hopefully provided, I would hate to what would happen if I winged it on my own <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> )



That should take care of everything left to ask.

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Hold tight sam as soon as my puter guy gets back it will be sent, monday is the day I hope, I can't wait to post it almost as much as you all want to see it trust me.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Hell Kingzx12r.. I don't want to see pics I want it... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

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ME TOO



Oh yeah I have it.



NA nana na nana. hee hee hee.



I'm wondering what's going to happen when everyone has 250hp all we're going to see on the road are 12s BONUS!!!

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Kingzx12r.. BTW I got that 1k resistor and I'm going to install it this weekend and see if that helps my idle problem...

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Remember it's the orange wire, and yes it will help smooth out the idle, you can set your idle down to 1000 rpm.

Solder it in and heat shrink it no cheap stuff that will come back to haunt you, I made the stock wire longer it was a little bit easier you'll see when you get there.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Does temperature make any difference??? I read somewhere to use a 500 resistor in certain weather. Or just install the 1000 no probs??? Redbusakiller will you let me know how you like it....How good it works. Even pics if you got them.

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No problem richard... I will let you know Monday....

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Thanxxx Im thinking of doing the same thing......

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Temperature will make minor difference nothing you would notice on the street, at the track it only makes a difference of 1 or 2 mph.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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king do you have to do the resistor mod to hook up NOS? cant you just use a PC III or PC IIIR???

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you don't have to use the resistor, it works with or without.

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What resistor? What does it do and how and where do you install it?

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