The resistor has nothing to do with the NOS. It has to do with the rough Idle of a Muzzy pipe. With the Muzzy exhaust my bike won't Idle under 1500 rpm. The resistor will let it smooth out and Idle right. I think they said use a 1000 ohm resistor and put it inline on the orange wire on the block temp sensor. If I'm wrong guys you will have to correct me but thats how I understood it. Hope I got it right....

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the way it was explained to me is that the resistor works as the poor mans PC III because it makes the bike run rich at all RPM ranges.



PS Jackbone have you seen richards new purchases??? DAMN

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Kingzx12r: do you have a fuel pressure safety switch just in case the fuel pressure drops?

I heard that in dry systems this is a good idea.

How much do you think it would be to add one, and how much hassle?



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You don't need it because you're not running a seperate feul source. If you loose fuel nothing works, just your cell or thumb a ride.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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I am getting confused now.

I hope I am not asking questions that have been asked already, but here goes.



I thought that with a dry NOS system you rely on the fuel from the bikes fuel injection. If that dies or can not keep up with the HP increase, then won't there be piston cookin' goin' on?

I have heard of people with 1361 kits pushing 200HP at the wheel and they say their fuel pump can't keep up. Does this relate to the NOS or am I still missing something?

Sorry for the extra questions, but this topic is really interesting to me.



Thanks for the patience,



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icp fury,

No.....I haven't spoken with him since Friday! What the hell did he do now? Sorry it's off topic!

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The 1361 kit needs the upgrade pump higher compression and stroke requires more fuel, the stock motor with nitrous does not. Ask away I'll answer what I can, if it's about my NOS kit no problems passed the 20,000 km mark today at the track. Went 9.77@152 on the blue bike without the wheelie bar woo hoo, too much power it was all over the place to put it in perspective for you I wheelied full 1/4 mile 10.49@127mph, hovering the tire full length need a bit of steam for this one, totally made everyone lose there mind most of them had a best pass of mid 10 seconds hee hee. What can you do rock on and keep going talk to you later.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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I am NOS stupid.... Is this kit injecting into the airbox???? Filling it with NOS??? I have never been around it. But I want to winterize with NOS as Easy says it......

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How does the ZX-12R compensate automatically with extra fuel to deal with the Dry NOS system? It would need to dump in quite a bit of fuel quickly I would expect? Am I still missing something on the dry NOS setups?

I am assuming a wet NOS setup would not have a problem with the fuel already added with the NOS.



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Easy as he mentioned earlier it injects the Nitrous into the airbox. Once it does this the temperature in the airbox is reduced drastically (well drastically for me as I live in Texas and its almost ALWAYS hot here). The air temp sensor, which I believe is in the airbox, senses this sudden drop in temp and richens the bike's A/F ratio to compensate. On a wet system (like the one I have in my truck), you have 2 separate lines: 1 for the nitrous oxide and the other is Teed into your fuel line to add extra fuel. Take my system for example, I have 2 solenoids with 1 line going into each solenoid. 1 solenoid is for nitrous and the other is for fuel. When I hit my trigger it opens both solenoids allowing fuel and nitrous to flow into my throttle body and both fuel and nitrous are metered by little removable jets. You would add a bigger nitrous jet for more power and would have to also add more fuel to compensate for more nitrous.

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It just seems hard to believe that the temperature drop would properly compensate with the right amount of fuel to insure it didn't run lean etc. I would figure it would have to drop a lot of fuel. From Kingzx12r's results it obviously works, but it is hard for me to understand how it could work.

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KingZX12r,

Is the nos hit progressive enough to spray out of first gear or do you wait until you are in second and far enough up in the rpm range to unsure it doesn't come up to fast and flip over? I'm just trying to get an idea of how it's going to act, my bike's a stocker and at wide open throttle in first it comes up even with my 260 lbs ass on the tank! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o">

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You want to ask King that I don't know shit about NOS I'm courious too.......

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If the "dry" Nos system runs a bit too lean for your taste. (if you don't trust the temp system or are just "uneasy" with it?)



Remember that wonderful little black box with the "PCIII" on it? Well everyone who uses one can use a NOS map for racing applications.



@ 80-100% throttle the map could be set to +30~45 & timing retarded to -4~-5.



That would insure the 12 won't get too lean.



I'm using a Palm to change maps & this would almost be required equipment if you plan on riding to the track.



(when ready to race load "NO2race.map" when finished reload "SaveGas.map")

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Hey easy the stock ecm is state of the art, the temp sensor in the airbox will compensate check the dyno sheet on team lawson page it works better with spray than without.



The kit does work very progressive I usually hit it in second gear but once in awhile in first it's one of those touchy feely things you have to get used to.



If you use a fogger (wet) system you are looking at about 1000 bucks, and the hit is very strong unless you spend another 600 bucks for the progressive puter for that kit.



The kit I designed is easy to use pump gas turn it on go, even if you ride with it on it only works at wide open throttle so its ready when you are or leave it on and leave the switch off till you are ready say a busa beating at the lights hee hee.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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That is really impressive that the ECU can compensate for the temp drop like that. It is also really conveniant that the temp drop correlates well to the required fuel that is required.

Is this as magical as I think, that this all works together to provide a solid A/F ratio with and without NOS or is this a common mechanism/characteristic for most bikes and cars?



King: did you know it would map correctly for the drop in air temp, or was there a bit of guessing and crossing your fingers initially?

Is it a valid assumption that plumbing it directly into the throttle bodies instead of the airbox would bypass the temp sensor compensation?



Thanks again for being patient, I am trying to get a solid handle on this before I put a system on my baby.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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When you get your pics, just send them to me. I can't wait to see them.

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should have them tomorow finally. did you get the other stuff i sent? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Sorry King but another couple of questions for ya. The kit you have on your bike(s) is 2 stage correct? The info that you are going to supply us with is for a 2 stage setup or single stage? Second question is: On average how many 1/4 mile passes can you get out of the little bottle before its time for a refill?

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King: I got your emails, but no attachments.

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Back in early march 2000 I started with a small jet that made about 7 hp, playing on the dyno and gradually increasing the jet sizes and turning this into a two stage system took about two months and close to 200 hours on the dyno. This setup has two years on my street bike with over 3000 dollars of nitrous through the stock motor. This bike has been in numerous magazines and shows on display and test driven by over 100 different people including jetfuel2000 who made a comment in a previous post, Cycle Canada magazine, RS from montreal, and many others at various events. I paid for this bike unlike the one kawi gave me so careful was a huge consideration when putting it together and making sure it worked properly. I now see Shnitz has a kit for 350 bucks for 200 hp with Muzzy in the background. I find it funny when I offered this setup to muzzy they turned it down and now it's for sale through shnitz I'm curious to see what it looks like, anyway it's here or there just venting a little I guess, later.

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KingZx12R,



First of all I'd like to say thanks in the first instance in sharing your experience of NOS with us in what could be the biggest thing since the Y2KZX12R mods in the middle of 2000.



I think however, Easy has a valid point. If the fuel requirements are suddenly upped by such a margin when the NOS is turned on, would it not follow that the pressure from the stock fuel pump would struggle to cope at full whack? If big bores require the stronger pump to cope with the additional fuel requirements on full throttle, would this mod not effectively do the same and by definition require the pump upgrade?



I am very positive about it all and usually embrace all the good ideas that have come out and have found every one of them very positive. So dont think i'm being negative. It just seems that I fear that such a sudden requirement for fuel will compromise the system.



You've obviously overcome this or your findings totally contradict this. If so, how?



Thanks.



FK

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ICPfury:



Yes it is a two stage system 250 hp at the wheel, and usually get 3 or 4 passes at 900 psi, however if you use less at 700 psi you get 6 passes with about the same outcome the kit is a little more powerfull than you need and would also depend on your gearing. I have 17/43 on mine.



FearsomeK:



The stock pump is fine with my kit because it is still in the stock parameters of the FI map setup. The stock puter will adjust by temperature change with the spray much the same as it would on a much colder day.

On the bigbore kit you have more actual cyclinder volume that requires phisically more fuel and thus at 200 hp on the motor requires more consumption. There is nothing to compensate for fuel other than the pc3 where you put physical demands on the stock injection system rather than using the stock programs.

There is not really a sudden demand for fuel because the NOS is fogging the airbox and the airbox temperature sensor is compensating the fuel map accordingly. On a wet system where the demand is immediate because you are injecting directly into the throttle bodies there is then a sudden demand where a stronger pump and or secondary fuel system is required.

I never take offense to any thing on the boards please feel free to question anything I say or for that matter what anyone says, your bike is a huge investment to take chances with. I paid for my blue bike which was silver before the accident and did the r&d on it myself so I know how stessfull it is to worry about going boom.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



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Will the 17-43 combo require a new chain? Or will the stock chain still fit?

With both sprockets being smaller, I'm thinking a shorter chain will be required...but that's just my guess.

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Just read the featured article on the lawson project bike and I felt like I was there. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> I got to have this system, my big ass will probably never see 200mph ( 6'5" 261lbs) but it's going to be damn fun trying.... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> pics,install,pics,install,pics.... ok ok i'll chill....no really pics,install! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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It's coming patience, 265 lbs no problem you are going to appreciate this setup. I can power up in forth gear and wheelie, only 200 lbs with a 17/43 gear set up with the 17/50 gear like some have posted how will that impress the guys on a cruise nite when your on the highway at 100 mph and sixth gear powers up! Yeah man that will put all in there place don't you think? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Kingzx12r:



Can you post a pic of your 8s timeslip?

Can you post a pic of the timeslips with you and Robert?

(I am interested in the different times, launch 60ft etc.)

What was it like doing 200mph?

Did you ride the 12 in the Cycle Canada 200mph article?

Have you blown any motors on your ZX-12R's with your NOS system?



Thanks,



Redbaron

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Stock chain fits ..

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King.... So this NOS is a push button system right?? When you want it... Hit it!!!! If so where is the location of the button...

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Don't quote me but I think he said it works at wide open throttle......Not push button...

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I think it would be fun to have access to juice on the 12 but pillin' these things makes me nervous. King may not have had any probs but I'm sure it'd be my luck that the whole fuckin' thing would come apart.

On Easy's site there are some pics of N102SR's head bearing failure. I don't think this is from the spray but then again I don't know how much he was sprayin' it. If it's not from the juice, it makes me curious what's going on inside my motor...

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if it sprays at wide open throttle then what activates it to do that????

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I think anytime you add 40HP+ to a stock engine you need to be prepared for things to fail. I have no facts to back this up, but most likely the 12 engine can handle 200HP from a 1270 kit (better pistons) for example without beefing up the crank. However anytime you dramatically increase the power to a stock engine I don't think anyone can guarantee that nothing will go wrong. It may be a blown engine, or it may be worse, like getting hurt.

I think everyone needs to understand the pros/cons and risks before running out and bolting on a whack of extra HP. I am a total newbie with respect to NOS and can not personally give anyone advice. But like I have said a number of times, everything you read on a public forum should be backed up with common sense or a trusted mechanic to make sure you know what you are getting into.



Back to the NOS discussions. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">





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redbusakiller,

I believe after reading the article that the first stage is triggered at WOT and the second stage is triggered by the horn button. The article is in the ZX-12R Performance Upgrades / PCIII/r Maps. in that section there is a section called project bikes and in project bikes there is a link for Team Lawsons 8.73 1/4 mile and 200 mph top end run

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redbusakiller,

the n2o is activated by a micro switch that is attatched to the throttle body. When you whack it wide open it triggers the solenoid and hold on to your ass! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Kinda like it was before I got married....Wanting & waiting!! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">





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RHB:

Cycle Canada has the slips to do the article, they will print the numbers.

200 mph is a rush that is hard to explain, nobody understands it unless they have been there.

Paul Penzo rode the bike 200 mph I was recovering from my crash, but I have done it on the highway and joked with Paul, try it with traffic this is easy no obsticles hee hee.

Never had any motor trouble, and I have only heard of a couple of problems with stock bikes not with big bore or nitrous kits.



Silver01Bullit:

If you are nervous only put one stage 210 hp and leave it there until you are ready for more. It won't take too long trust me I started with one stage and designed stage two the same day!



Easy:

The 1270 kit uses the stock crank, when you hear stories of things breaking it could be a number of reasons, poor maintenance, overheating, lack of oil things like that. I get info directly from Kawi head office and it is very rare of any problems and the few they had were warranty. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Pics are with easy should be up soon. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Sorry easy no pressure hee hee.

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I will try to get them up tonight.



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Man... This is like waiting for Christmas to come when your a little kid...... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

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If you wanna peak put up your e-mail or send me a line lawson4@axxent.ca

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ok santa,

I wanna peak!



camero98@alltel.net

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And what a peek it was!!



King I'm Totally Impressed!

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I LOVE YOU MAN!!!!!! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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mmm peak peak peak

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Hell ya.....I guess it is just like before Christmas.....I wanna peek! Zreimers@charter.net

Thanks King!

-Big Zx12r



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After reading some of this NOS stuff and reading the questions that go along with the nitrous hype, I thought I would share some info about the best bang for the buck power gain on the planet. I am not an expert by any means but this stuff here is the basics of what nitrous is. I copied and pasted most of this info and put it in some sort of comprehensible format. It is a bit long but worth the read.

First off, understanding what nitrous is helps a person decide what type of system they want or ….need for their engine.

Nitrous oxide is a colorless, non-flammable gas. It has a slightly sweet taste and odor. It is non-toxic and non-irritating and when inhaled in small quantities can produce mild hysteria and giggling or laughter. This is the reason for the nickname "laughing gas”. Nitrous oxide is contained in a cylinder, usually aluminum, and while retained in the cylinder the nitrous is in a liquid form and held under high pressure. When it's released from the cylinder into the intake system its physical state changes from a liquid to a gas. This transformation occurs as the nitrous is released from an area of extreme pressure (the cylinders are approximately 1000 P.S.I) into the vacuum of the intake manifold, this change in state is usually referred to as the nitrous 'boiling'. It takes energy to enable the nitrous to expand and boil. The heat that is absorbed from the surrounding air/gas in the intake tract produces this energy. The end result is an intake charge that is cool, dense and oxygen rich - the ideal recipe for producing more power. Since the additional fuel required for nitrous is introduced in such a way that when exposed to the full force of the expanding nitrous (on a wet system), it is atomized completely. This promotes improved burning in the combustion chamber and, as a direct result, power-output is increased.

Nitrous Oxide is comprised of two atoms of nitrogen and one of oxygen. The heat of the combustion breaks the chemical bond that holds them together. Without heat (it takes about 525 Fahrenheit to break the bond between the nitrogen and the oxygen), the three atoms would remain bonded and, consequently, the oxygen atom rendered powerless - unable to play its role in the combustion process.

Gasses are often considered in terms of moles. The definition of a mole is the amount of substance that contains Avogadro's (avogadro.che.hw.ac.uk/avoga.html) number of atoms or molecules. Though this number remains the same (6.02 x 10 to the power of 23), the weight of a mole can vary depending on the atomic weight of the molecule in question. Since an engine requires volume instead of mass, weight can be dismissed. A mole of any substance occupies 22.4 liters at standard pressure and temperature. The fact remains that all gasses have the same molar volume in similar conditions. So, if a cylinder can draw two moles of air on an intake stroke, it can also consume the same volume of nitrous. By volume, air contains 21 % oxygen compared to nitrous that is 50% oxygen. For every two moles of Nitrous Oxide (N20) introduced to the cylinder, there are two moles of Nitrogen (N2) and one mole of Oxygen (02), as can be seen in the equation:

2N2O==> 2 N2 + 102

There lies the hidden advantage of Nitrous Oxide. Since every mole has the same volume, it's clear that two moles of nitrous drawn into the cylinder become three moles through the combustion process. This further raises combustion pressures and increases the power-producing potential of the engine. So in other words nitrous oxide has a higher percentage of oxygen content than does the air in the atmosphere. Nitrous has 36% oxygen by weight and the atmosphere has 23%. Additionally, nitrous oxide is 50% more dense than air at the same pressure. Thus, a cubic foot of nitrous oxide contains 2 and a third times as much oxygen as a cubic foot of air. Just do a bit of math in your head and you can see if we substitute some nitrous oxide for some of the air going into an engine then add the appropriate amount of additional fuel, the engine is going to produce more power. Simply stated, nitrous oxide injection is very much like a supercharger or a compression ratio increase in that, during combustion, it can dramatically increase the dynamic cylinder pressure in the engine.

Of course, when we significantly increase the cylinder pressure in the engine, we also increase the engine's tendency to detonate. This is why almost all nitrous motors require retarded spark timing during nitrous oxide operation. The cylinder pressure increase is also why, when misused or improperly installed, operation with nitrous causes problems with head gasket seal and failures of the rings or pistons. Also any number of things that put an engine into severe detonation, such as too much boost from a supercharger, low octane fuel, excessive compression ratio or overly lean air-fuel ratio will also cause the same kinds of damage.

Another challenge with a nitrous oxide system is getting the delivery of nitrous oxide and additional fuel at the correct proportions. If you feed nitrous to the engine without enough extra fuel, the lean air/nitrous to fuel mixture will make the detonation problem even worse. Combustion temperatures will skyrocket and catastrophic failure is certain to occur. If the proportion is such that too much fuel is delivered, the power advantage degrades rapidly.

As you can see, nitrous oxide is like any other power increasing modification in that, when used wisely and installed properly, it works well. When used foolishly or installed incorrectly it can significantly reduce the reliability/durability of your engine.

Small doses of nitrous oxide can be used in stock engines to gain 25-35% more power. In my opinion, any more nitrous than that, with a stock engine, compromises durability too much. This is not only true of nitrous but any modification. Once you pass the 35% power increase mark with nitrous oxide you need to look at things like forged pistons, better connecting rods, better bearings, etc.

So, nitrous oxide is not the instant-engine-failure many people think it is. When used properly and when dispensed by a properly designed and installed system nitrous oxide can be responsible for some phenomenal increases in power.

On a final note, regarding a dry shot nitrous system, you are relying on the temp sensor in the air box to sense enough temp drop to add the extra fuel required to feed the nitrous. Now that you know that nitrous is of a different composition than the air that we breathe, how does the bikes brain box know that you are now breathing nitrous and not air? Nitrous needs more fuel per cubic foot than air to keep an engine from running lean so even if the temp sensor could send a signal to the brain box to add enough fuel for the cold dense air, it is calibrated for AIR, not nitrous. The more informed a person is the less finger pointing will be done when something goes bang!

BTW,IMO everything should be on nitrous! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil">



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Ya....but I always cheated and peaked at my presents before it's time.......I havn't found a way to do that in this case....so It's worse than that! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



-Big Zx12r

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On my setup,

The added fuel will be accomplished with the help of

a PC3r (setting it up to add more fuel @100% WOT) <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

And the timing will also be retarded (just a bit) for the N20 hit. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



Just waiting for the setup info....

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In regards to how the temp sensor knows that it's nitrous and not air I haven't a clue. What I can tell you is this, I've been running a 125 rwhp dry shot on my 98 ls1 camaro for two years without any problems what so ever. I have a single jet that fogs the airbox where the air temp sensor is located prior to entering the MAF Sensor and the throttle body. It's set up in most regards like kings system. I don't know the engineering behind how it works all I know is that it does. Very reliable, progressive and impressive. 337 rwhp and 335 ft/lbs torque stock and 454 rwhp and 572 ft/lbs on the gas!! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



Install it, hit the button and ride it like you stole it! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o">

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jb,

Have you ever done a flat out top speed run where you had to spray for more than 12 seconds.How long do you think you would have to hold the button , asuming your geared right,to push you car to it's top speed?A 10 lb bottle in a 350 gives you 20 secs of juice,how much nitrous would you have to use to get to top speed?

I'd be VERY suprised to find out that king hasn't burned an engine or 2 doing high speed runs.

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That was a concern of mine. I mentioned earlier in a post that I didn't spray past 4th gear for fear of something letting go or burning up. Again it is a 350, king told me that he sprayed in all gears after 1st...... I dunno we are talking 1199 vs. 5700. who know's if it works I'm game. If it breaks then I guess I'll be looking for a 1270 hehe <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Oh yeah, top speed, a bike is alot lighter than a car so assuming power to weight ratio a bike wouldn't require as much nitrous over a given period of time to accquire top speed. (just a thought, I'm no genius on these things)

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Click the pics for a larger image.

www.zx-12r.org/Motorcycle_info/Motorcycle%20pictures/TeamLawson/TeamLawson9.35sZX-12R.htm

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Will there be a supply list and install procedure to follow? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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when are we likely to get the instructions, parts list and pictures together?



Gimme gimme gimme... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">



Hey KingZX12R, it's good to see people sharing good info thats taken them a while with hard work to accumulate. Hats off to you.



FK

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n102sr:



Air, water, nitrous, or whatever, temperature is temperature the ecm does not have to differentiate the source it is strictly by temperature change that effects the sensor. Nice post lots of helpfull info, and no never had any engine problems over 5000 bucks of nitrous through my bike without a hicup. Read the cycle canada issue wide open throttle 6th gear 200 mph Paul is still alive I spoke him the other day, and I'm still riding the bike.



I also have a supercharged camero with a dry nitrous shot as intercooler over 80,000 kms on original motor, replaced a couple of trannys mind you and gave lots of buisness to nitrous and sunoco hee hee.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">



Pics are up on the team lawson page instructions are in the works trying to remember how I did things two years ago. I'll be back don't worry just have to clean them up so all can understand the info.

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Oh yeah anyone who wants me can reach me at home lawson4@axxent.ca or call 416-743-3683 remember what time it is in ontario, if you call 3 in the morn and the wife answers you'll know the time then for sure. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

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King... did you have 2 seperate bottles at one time or did you always have the big bottle in there???

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